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DSMC2 Unified Dragon-X

Bob Gundu said:
I shot these several several years ago, but there is something gritty about the Dragon sensor, thats hard for me to let go.


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Dang, Bob - I don't know how I missed these in the thread. Yes, I admit I really like the grittiness of the Dragon sensor (I think you're an MG guy too, right?!).

These were both very beautifully done! Really loved the music in the second one as well.
 
BrendanLeahy said:
Dang, Bob - I don't know how I missed these in the thread. Yes, I admit I really like the grittiness of the Dragon sensor (I think you're an MG guy too, right?!).

These were both very beautifully done! Really loved the music in the second one as well.
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Thanks! Glad you like the music. Its by fellow Reduser Paul Kalbach.
 
Thanks for the reference Bob! I'm glad you liked my music Brendan! I don't want to derail this thread, but I can't resist the opportunity to inject a shameless self-promotion plug here. The pieces are from my album "Lassoed Rainbow", available on iTunes, cdbaby and their digital partners. "Lassoed Rainbow" is a series of pieces I composed for an installation at San Francisco's De Young Museum in 1975. It's based on a chart of audio/color analogies in an issue of "Scientific American". There's extensive album notes on my cdbaby pages https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/paulkalbach2, but previews are longer on iTunes. Other albums available: "Extraneous Static Refinement: Phase III" and "Kalbach Live: Aeolian Dream-Syzygy". I was recently contacted by Other Minds Records and they will be distributing some of my other music very soon (www.otherminds.org).
 
BrendanLeahy said:
Dang, Bob - I don't know how I missed these in the thread. Yes, I admit I really like the grittiness of the Dragon sensor (I think you're an MG guy too, right?!).

These were both very beautifully done! Really loved the music in the second one as well.
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Yea, the dragon sensor looks great for doc work. that's why I shoot on 2 Scarlet-W :-)
 
Nice work on the spot, Jacobo!
 
Samir Patel said:
We kept asking for Dragon 6K in DSMC2 unified body... just saying. But whatever. Use what you got I suppose.
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That would of been much more of an incentive to upgrade, what resolution was the VV Dragon? can you still buy those? or now is it only mostro with a completely different sensor?
 
jordan levy said:
That would of been much more of an incentive to upgrade, what resolution was the VV Dragon? can you still buy those? or now is it only mostro with a completely different sensor?
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VV Dragon was 8K and 41mm across (same size and res as Monstro)
 
I don't think you can get 8k dragons any more, as the yields of the wafers were supposedly really bad (I seem to recall Jarred saying sometimes entire batches had 0 sensors pass QC).

As for 6k dragon in a unified body; the entire unified rebrand/re-release was all about making all of the cameras internals the same to benefit economies of scale, unify parts manufacturing, and make decisions simpler for less technical consumers... I doubt RED would want to re-fire up the 6k fab oven when the 5k one is probably churning out chips for substantially cheaper these days (and that's presuming they don't already have a stockpile of chips that were originally intended for Scarlet-Ws).

Also, it'd be a bit of a awkward and confusing with respect to Gemini, which is only 5k (Gemini costs more than Dragon for the same frame rates/resolution because it's a taller sensor and better at low-light). It'd chip-away at a lot of product-line simplicity DSMC2 Unified did if there was a cheaper camera, that actually had a higher resolution (even if the benefits of Gemini were made abundantly clear).
 
Mike P. said:
I don't think you can get 8k dragons any more, as the yields of the wafers were supposedly really bad (I seem to recall Jarred saying sometimes entire batches had 0 sensors pass QC).

As for 6k dragon in a unified body; the entire unified rebrand/re-release was all about making all of the cameras internals the same to benefit economies of scale, unify parts manufacturing, and make decisions simpler for less technical consumers... I doubt RED would want to re-fire up the 6k fab oven when the 5k one is probably churning out chips for substantially cheaper these days (and that's presuming they don't already have a stockpile of chips that were originally intended for Scarlet-Ws).

Also, it'd be a bit of a awkward and confusing with respect to Gemini, which is only 5k (Gemini costs more than Dragon for the same frame rates/resolution because it's a taller sensor and better at low-light). It'd chip-away at a lot of product-line simplicity DSMC2 Unified did if there was a cheaper camera, that actually had a higher resolution (even if the benefits of Gemini were made abundantly clear).
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That all makes totally logical sense.

But, coming from an enduser, it still seems weird that RED is not really selling a 6k camera at the moment. 6k>4k downscale was such an integral part of their marketing push for the original dragon sensor that it seems weird that they offer two 5k cameras and two 8k cameras, but nothing at the magical 6k number.

Is what it is I guess?

Just another reason for me to keep shooting on my beloved Epic Dragon! :)
 
After Shooting with my Dragon-x DSMC2 i can say (im a helium 8k owner as well) i am IN LOVE with this sensor and camera! Honestly I have retired the Helium 8k for now. Loveliness all around! Thank you @jarredLand and the team at Red for taking things back to Simple.
 

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