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Jannard said:
Completely different cameras...

Jim
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Interesting, can you give me a detailed breakdown of their differences? You know tell me all the specs of the DSMC?

NO?!!!

I know, I know, I'll wait until the big announcement :( Then decide which camera is right for me. I'm thinking it's still the Scarlet...
 
You will have plenty of time after the announcement of the DSCM and the release of Scarlet to decide what you want to do. My bet is that you will want both... :-)

Jim
 
Jim, you remind me of William Wallace in Braveheart when he rides on to the field of battle and consults with his friends and they ask him 'what are you going to do?' and he replies 'I'm going to pick a fight'. :-)

I have no doubt you can make an amazing DSLR, I'm really curious how you solve the lens mount issue. My guess is you'll make it completely interchangeable, perhaps defaulting to a 'Red mount' and then alternately taking in Nikon, Canon EF, etc. But can you do good autofocus? People have so much invested in glass that binds them to Nikon or Canon. You must free them! :-D
 
Jannard said:
My bet is that you will want both... :-)

Jim
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Oh REALLY?!!! And I suppose you'd like me to buy a few RED Ones and Epics too? Well, done and done...

Granted, there is actually a difference between wanting and buying... I'm sure I'll want both, we'll see what the budget says I can afford. At least one of them, maybe 5 of each of the 4 REDs and all the accessories if I win the lottery :-)
 
Shawn Nelson said:
Jim, you remind me of William Wallace in Braveheart when he rides on to the field of battle and consults with his friends and they ask him 'what are you going to do?' and he replies 'I'm going to pick a fight'. :-)

I have no doubt you can make an amazing DSLR, I'm really curious how you solve the lens mount issue. My guess is you'll make it completely interchangeable, perhaps defaulting to a 'Red mount' and then alternately taking in Nikon, Canon EF, etc. But can you do good autofocus? People have so much invested in glass that binds them to Nikon or Canon. You must free them! :-D
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hehe... you can't even imagine what we will unleash. :-)

Jim
 
Jim, I want to be on vacation with my still camera and see that one cool shot that I'd totally get if I had the right equipment. Wouldn't that be a nice shot for the reel? Wouldn't that be some good stock footage? Boy, I want to save this shot for later so I can remember it at some point in ten years. I want to roll on it with the still camera, get the shot with the DR and general look and resolution of a "real" [4K, 5K] camera without futzing with a real camera... and do it all without security getting angry or the girlfriend noticing that I'm working on vacation. :)
 
Jannard said:
I haven't been this embarrassed for Canon since the T-1. Wow.

Jim
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I am actually relieved a little bit Jim. This "release" from Canon is going to make the wait for the DSMC much more rewarding.

The first thing I ever saw from the RED ONE prototype was STILL images of a wrist watch that rivaled Canon's Mark II.

When I first heard about the DSMC, I remembered back to those images and it gave me confidence that you are going to get this right; both the STILL part and the MOVIE part.
 
Now the trick is the choosing the best timing to sell my 40D.

Jim, are you getting into the lens dept. yet with the DSMC? Can I keep my Canon L glasses for now? :)
 
This reminds me of a couple of years ago when I thought "hey DSLR's got better resolution, DOF and DR than my crappy HDV-cam. Maybe I could modify one and make it a movie cam out of it." But back then I was not aware about the sensors limitations and reset-times etc. silly me :innocent:

Always been the "even-if-its-on-the-market-I-will-make-it-myself-kinda-guy" I really admire and support RED and your ideas. I wonder when I will stop hearing people laugh and say: Your invention can't be any good because you are not a proffesional engineer/craftsman/or whatever. :usd:

Well maybe I feel that RED is the company for me because of the philosophy, creative and innovative thinking. It's the way I want it.

Creative problems are solved by technical solutions and vice verse, this is a good philosophy for an inventor in my opinion.

Enough of my ramblings, I get excited thats all.
Keep your spirits up RED-team! You are doing the absolute right thing!

/A happy Swede
 
Jannard said:
You will have plenty of time after the announcement of the DSCM and the release of Scarlet to decide what you want to do. My bet is that you will want both... :-)

Jim
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The funny thing is, we don't have to agree to the bet for you to win, assuming you wanted us to bet $3000 for the scarlet and the TBA price of the DSMC :biggrin:

From here on out for me, I'll give myself the option of buying one last Nikon body and maybe a lens or two before the year is out. Then it's save my pennies for DSMC. I've already got my Scarlet fund just about ready to go.
 
To me a stills SLR is for stills and a video camera is for video just like a cellphone is to make calls and a camera is to take pictures.

Thst is my personal opinion.

But I just don't see why people are making a big hoo haa about these cameras having video? It is kind of funny my first digital camera was a Sony DSC P32, it had video functions and recorded 640 x 480. Which did not bother me as I owned a seperate video camera. I'm not that guy that wants it all rolled into one device.

Again I'm not pissing on anyones battery I just want to know why the sudden rush to have video on DSLR's? Why not have a seperate camera ie Scarlet to do the job properly?
 
Christopher Grant Harvey said:
To me a stills SLR is for stills and a video camera is for video just like a cellphone is to make calls and a camera is to take pictures.

Thst is my personal opinion.

But I just don't see why people are making a big hoo haa about these cameras having video? It is kind of funny my first digital camera was a Sony DSC P32, it had video functions and recorded 640 x 480. Which did not bother me as I owned a seperate video camera. I'm not that guy that wants it all rolled into one device.

Again I'm not pissing on anyones battery I just want to know why the sudden rush to have video on DSLR's? Why not have a seperate camera ie Scarlet to do the job properly?
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At some point motion will converge with stills... just not yet.

Jim
 
Shawn Nelson said:
I have no doubt you can make an amazing DSLR, I'm really curious how you solve the lens mount issue. My guess is you'll make it completely interchangeable, perhaps defaulting to a 'Red mount' and then alternately taking in Nikon, Canon EF, etc. But can you do good autofocus? People have so much invested in glass that binds them to Nikon or Canon. You must free them! :-D
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I'm really curious about the lens issue too. It seems to me that a mirror and shutter are kind of silly in a video camera, which could mean rangefinder sized lenses. That might even give you enough room to add canon/nikon/pentax autofocus adapters.

Anyway I'll just have to wait and see. I'm hoping for something revolutionary, but within my budget.
 
Jannard said:
At some point motion will converge with stills... just not yet.

Jim
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No doubt.

Im just wondering why? Is it because it sells more cameras to people ie a business decision? Is that what people want it and you are making sure you give the best before everyone else at a better price?


Honest questions. :bleh:
 
I made two bets at IBC
THE FCS/RAW workflow would be demoed
RAW editing in iMovie (most likely with baked metadata) when Scarlet is released.
I'll add hybridcam solutions in iPhoto within a year, with limited RAW controlls.

@ IBC there were REDs all over the show floors and everyone were eager to demo their workflows in progress.

@ NAB this will pretty much be... eh... resolved... I guess.
 
I went to buy a D90. It was sold out and there is a long waiting list at $1300 for body alone. This item is selling faster than a hot cake in stores.
The salesman mentioned the new Sony 28MP camera in the pipeline, with live view and video without skew. I forgot if he mentioned full frame.
I would like to know when the DSMC will be released and what will be the price for body and what lenses will it use?
 
Jannard said:
I have to say that I am very surprised that these "big guys" would release a camera that shoots "motion" with this kind of defect. It sounds really good on paper, but many will actually buy these cameras and believe that you can shoot motion with them.

Jim
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That's what warranty is for, isn't it? :ranting2:
 
I'm a little worried too Jim.

Will this program make my 4 RED's, My proposed 4 Scarlets and 4 Epics and all my PL mounted, RED, Cooke, Arri and Ziess lenses worthless when everyone starts running around shooting great TV content, AD's etc in 1080p from a relatively cheap stills SLR...

I know the worlds changing and RED has to chase or lead the game, But it does make you think twice about purchasing a camera package that you probably wont need in 12 months time ...... unless your shooting a movie.
A lot of us have invested big in RED and are now thinking not too.
My 35mm Arri's lasted 8 to 10 years before it got retired into the back room courtesy of you guys.

Just thinking out loud mate.

Still a RED FAN & Still love ya work.

But would love a future proof response..... please.:umm:
 
Jannard said:
...The Monstro Mysterium sensor is the fastest read-reset CMOS known to man enjoying the same motion characteristics as a film camera.

Jim
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Hi Jim, this is interesting to hear and very welcome. Will the new sensor therefore remedy the problems with the standard mysterium sensor such as skew, strobing and cutting of flashes of light between frames? How does the read-reset effect motion characteristics if any?

Do you have any idea when you will be posting any test footage illustrating the sensors ability to handle those things the original sensor has had issues with?

Thanks

Paul
 
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