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Dragon...

Jeff Marsten said:
I was told by Red that my MX Red One #1718 didn't qualify for Epic upgrade. Now it's left out again? Why?
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Was your Red One purchased after the deadline for the stage upgrade? Was it purchased second hand?
 
Did some quick calculations of all the theoretical format resolutions based on the Dragon's new pixel size. Of course, MOST of these formats are not going to be in the menu on the Epic or Scarlett, but the pixel aspect ratios still hold true and can be entered manually for a custom crop... (Like 5K 16:9 on the current Epic with an MX sensor) and then cropped in RCX.

Here's my rough calculations:

Dragon-Sensor Format Sizes:
6000 x 3160 • 6K Full Frame • 1.89:1 • 30mm x 15.8mm
5618 x 3160 • 6K HD • 1.78:1 • 28mm x 15.8mm
3863 x 3160 • 6K ANA • 1.22:1 • 19.31mm x 15.8mm
6000 x 3000 • 6K 2:1 • 2.0:1 • 30mm x 15mm
6000 x 2530 • 6K 2.37:1 • 2.37:1 • 30mm x 12.65mm
5120 x 2700 • 5K Full Frame • 25.6mm x 13.5mm
4800 x 2700 • 5K HD • 24mm x 13.5mm
3296 x 2700 • 5K ANA • 16.48mm x 13.5mm
5120 x 2560 • 5K 2:1 • 2.0:1 • 25.6mm x 12.8mm
5120 x 2160 • 5K 2.37:1 • 2.37:1 • 25.6mm x 10.8mm
4096 x 2304 • 4K 16:9 • 1.78:1 • 20.48mm x 11.52mm
2816 x 2304 • 4K ANA • 1.22:1 • 14mm x 11.52mm
3840 x 2160 • 4K HD • 1.78:1 • 19.2mm x 10.8mm
4096 x 2048 • 4K 2:1 • 2.0:1 • 20.48mm x 10.24mm
4096 x 1706 • 4K 2.4:1 • 2.40:1 • 20.48mm x 8.53mm
3072 x 1728 • 3K 16:9 • 1.78:1 • 15.36.48mm x 8.64mm
2112 x 1728 • 3K ANA • 10.56mm x 8.64mm
2880 x 1620 • 3K for HD • 14.4mm x 8.1mm
3072 x 1536 • 3K 2:1 • 15.36mm x 7.68mm
3072 x 1280 • 3K 2.4:1 • 15.36mm x 6.4mm
2048 x 1152 • 2K 16:9 • 10.24mm x 5.76mm
2048 x 1024 • 2K 2:1 • 10.24mm x 5.12mm
2048 x 853 • 2K 2.4:1 • 10.24mm x 4.27mm
1920 x 1080 • 1080 HD • 9.6mm x 5.4mm

What REALLY excites me on this list is 6K ANA. Should be totally doable since a large crop is involved to achieve the 1.22:1 aspect ratio, but at that sensor height, 2:1 squeeze anamorphic lenses are only about 10% tighter than their labeled focal length (as set for a standard 35mm anamorphic gate). The hardest thing to do shooting anamorphic on a Red One was getting a wide enough lens. The R1 was about 30% tighter due to the crop with the shorter 12.44mm tall sensor. The Epic with an MX sensor is a little better being about 17% tighter with its 14.58mm tall imager. But with the Dragon raising the sensor height up to 15.8mm, we're only adding about 10% to the focal length, but with resolution of nearly 4K x 3K (3863 x 3160). I'm super stoked about this since I shoot a lot of anamorphic on my Epic. The Alexa Studio with its larger sensor height (17.82mm) matches the lens manufacturer's focal lengths more accurately, but it only delivers 2582 x 2160 for its anamorphic resolution... That makes the Dragon's theoretical Anamorphic 6K mode (if it happens) 150% MORE resolution.

Can't effen wait!
 
Will dragon Make 18bit r3d to hold the 15 stops or will Red start to encore in log?

Just wondering how big an hour of Dragon 6k 2:1 Rc 8:1 will be... brin those 512GB cards!!!

Pat.
 
But... at the end.. . how is it possible to get the uphrade?
Is it by EPIC serial numbe? Do we have to wait for an email..?
We are hoping for more and more informations!!!
 
Jeff Marsten said:
I was told by Red that my MX Red One #1718 didn't qualify for Epic upgrade. Now it's left out again? Why?
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The RED ONE doesn't have enough processing power to do 5K, and 6K is almost twice as many pixels...

You'd probably be paying more than $10K just for a bit more sensitivity but still just at 4 or 4.5K, and at a smaller frame size... Which is probably not worth the effort for RED to develop...

It's not like EPIC getting a new sensor makes the RED ONE a worse camera though...
 
Stephen Gentle said:
The RED ONE doesn't have enough processing power to do 5K, and 6K is almost twice as many pixels...

You'd probably be paying more than $10K just for a bit more sensitivity but still just at 4 or 4.5K, and at a smaller frame size... Which is probably not worth the effort for RED to develop...

It's not like EPIC getting a new sensor makes the RED ONE a worse camera though...
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No but it raises the questions. How many times can you upgrade your camera? And do you need to upgrade it everytime in order to be able to upgrade it in the future?
 
It took me some time to chime in and read some of the fine details, but this is going to be awesome! Can't wait!
 
Jesper Sichlau said:
No but it raises the questions. How many times can you upgrade your camera? And do you need to upgrade it everytime in order to be able to upgrade it in the future?
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My guesstimate is RED will enable you to upgrade as often as you like, as long as you do it when it is available. Take the path they lay before you and you will be looked after, take a side road or sit back and wait for a while and you are on your own. It would unreasonable for RED to provide an upgrade path for someone after, say, 15 or 20 years.

Think of it like a long distance race, RED are the organizers and have promised to help you along for the whole of the journey from A to B as long as you stick with the main pack. You can join the race at any point. Drop off the pace and they can't promise to keep you up to speed with the rest but they will still help you get where you are going. Just make sure to stop every now and then and look around at how beautiful the view is on that journey.

Good luck getting the same thing from the competition, if you are lucky you might get a map and a vague, "It's that way!"

My 2 cents.
 
peter semmi said:
Red-MX sensor camera group like a lost islands, we were alone, there is no option to step up................thanx
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Sure, you can sell all your RED ONE stuff and buy an Epic-X Dragon package, or just shoot a dynamite movie with your current setup.
 
Is sensor bigger if yes then already my Cooke s4/I wide angles are showing serious lens barrel. If its larger then how will it work sir?

Jami
azadfilm co
azadfilm.com
 
Jami,

Don't worry although the sensor will be a little bit bigger I am sure Red will allow you to window the sensor so you can use a smaller area of the sensor and your Cooke s4/I wide angles will not vignette.
 
Just to put a little more perspective on this Upgrade path... Arri has now offered their larger 4:3 version of their Alev-III sensor for the Alexa Plus and Alexa-M configurations (It was initially only offered in the more costly Alexa Studio with the optical viewfinder). But do you think Arri is offering a $6000 charge to upgrade all of the existing Alexa's out there (for the essentially the SAME sensor, just with masking removed to reveal more of it?) NOPE. You have to buy a complete new camera body. Do you not think that once some of these Alexa Studios with a 4:3 sensor hit the streets that productions won't want to have the option to shoot non-cropped anamorphic, or have room to do vertical repositions with the added sensor area? So now what about all of those 16x9 Alexas out there? Left proverbially hangin...

Just sayin...

Thanks for keep my Epic relevant. I can't wait for 6K... less noise, less compression at higher frame-rates (with the new SSDs), faster sensitivity, more dynamic range AND a 5K image that now fits ALL of the lenses out there!
 
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