DaVinci

[Blair S. Paulsen]

I think Bruce understands the business model quite well. Its kind of like dealing crack, first you get them hooked...:biggrinjester:

Now if Apple would just bring a proper professional tower to market things really get juicy in terms of CPU power, fast bus architecture, expansion slots, better support for things like CUDA and SLI on nVidia GPUs, etc. Not saying that I expect such a tower to arrive anytime soon or that I would expect real time performance, but it might make DaVinci on a Mac viable in a lot more shops.

Cheers - #19

 

[Andrae Palmer]

The Davinci route doesn't seem as scary to me even at 50k... due to most of the money being in the control panel and linux multi GPU hardware (which seems well worth the price). What's scary nowadays is to spend over 50k on just software alone knowing at anytime there could be a radical price change.

 

[mikeburton]

Yes. Go to http://www.blackmagic-design.com/davinci/resolve/

and click "HOW TO BUY":

Here's what it says for $999 version:

"You get the a full copy of DaVinci Resolve with no features disabled, so you get a full system, with single GPU performance."

The power of the Linux version is having up to 16 GPUs, infiniband network rendering, etc.

They WANT you to do 4K stuff etc in the $999 version, so you say "wow, this is awesome but I sure wish I could do this a little faster - how much was that Linux version again?"

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Yes, but it doesn't exactly give you a buy now button. Just shows the different models etc. Anyhow, I'll call my rep. I;m curious to know the speed functionality in comparison to Color for example. Probably better I'm sure if you have a 4800 card for mac since it takes advantage of the GPU but REDCODE tacks a combination of GPU's and CPU's. If anyone sees a demo and can comment that would be awesome for those of us stuck working and can't make it out to NAB :-(

 

[M Most]

i wish davinci would be on PC too.

What do you think Linux runs on?

 

[Barend Onneweer]

The 50k is the Linux software license + control surface. No other hardware included. Still an amazing pricepoint though.

Barend

 

[Cüneyt Kaya]

What do you think Linux runs on?

snow leopard is on a PC too, so i guess you didnt want to understand that i meant win7

 

[M Most]

The Davinci route doesn't seem as scary to me even at 50k... due to most of the money being in the control panel and linux multi GPU hardware (which seems well worth the price). What's scary nowadays is to spend over 50k on just software alone knowing at anytime there could be a radical price change.

I think what's scarier is the fact that Blackmagic has never had any Linux products and has never shown any inclination to support the Linux OS. They have always been a Mac-centric, Windows-second company. I think the jury is still very much out as to whether the Linux product is a long term commitment, or an attempt to test the viability of that market for what has now become a "low end" - at least in terms of price - product, while still trying to retain the high end client base that already has DaVinci products.

 

[Andrae Palmer]

I think what's scarier is the fact that Blackmagic has never had any Linux products and has never shown any inclination to support the Linux OS. They have always been a Mac-centric, Windows-second company. I think the jury is still very much out as to whether the Linux product is a long term commitment, or an attempt to test the viability of that market for what has now become a "low end" - at least in terms of price - product, while still trying to retain the high end client base that already has DaVinci products.

True indeed but I don't think they will discontinue linux support say within the next 3 years. So that makes a 20k risk for the license not so bad.

 

[M Most]

True indeed but I don't think they will discontinue linux support say within the next 3 years. So that makes a 20k risk for the license not so bad.

I wouldn't make that bet. But that's just an opinion.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Software is IDENTICAL across all versions.

Limit is that it might not be realtime if you want to do heavy stuff.

If you want to do heavy rendering, buy the Linux version, which allows for multiple GPUs, render farms, etc.

If you want their gigantic console, you have to buy it.

Personally I am delighted because suddenly I can have Avid, DaVinci and Pro Tools... the BEST IN CLASS TOOLS... for a similar price to Final Cut Studio or Adobe Master Collection!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

Bruce,

I'll cut in FCP, grade in DaVinci, sound and score edit+refine in Soundtrack+Logic (better audio solution than Pro Tools) and then use Resolve's conforming option that BM should make ASAP to work with RR card.

Also I'll be fine with that combo of BEST CLASS TOOLS !!!!!

 

[jake blackstone]

I;m curious to know the speed functionality in comparison to Color for example.

Apple is busy with iPhone and iPad. In other words, that's not the horse I'd put my bet on...
On the other hand, Blackmagic will be my first stop on Wed. so I can get all the info from the horses mouth

 

[mikeburton]

Apple is busy with iPhone and iPad. In other words, that's not the horse I'd put my bet on...
On the other hand, Blackmagic will be my first stop on Wed. so I can get all the info from the horses mouth

Totally agree, I dislike Color in comparison to many more professional grading apps like Scratch, SpeedGrade, DaVinci, Pablo etc etc. Just curious what kind of frame rates you can achieve with Half Res High 2K or 1080p on a Nahalem MacPro with a 4800 Card for instance? Or if its going to be more clunky to work with like Color? Will you have to dip to 1/4 res low to get realtime, or will can you get decent quality realtime?

 

[MichaelHalsell]

...........
On the other hand, Blackmagic will be my first stop on Wed. so I can get all the info from the horses mouth

Great Jake, let us know what hardware will be needed to make it the "The Beast" and how well the Power Window with the 3D tracker works, along with working with DPX files. Thanks.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

DaVinci for $1K is a done deal for me. We'll see where it goes from there. I've been on the fence about buying SCRATCH for the past 2.5 years and just never pulled the trigger. I took a test drive of the Iridas offerings and almost bought SpeedGrade at one point.

This does seem like a "get them hooked" marketing tactic. I'm fine with that, it makes sense. I'm definitely interested to see what kind of performance and abilities come at the $1K price. If the software gives performance equal or better to Apple Color and as long as I can get 10bit/12bit monitoring support out of an SDI or HDMI BlackMagic card, it'll be worth every penny.

 

[Martin Tlaskal]

Oh wait, it seems, that Filmlight isn't even at NAB this year...

Err..

http://www.filmlight.ltd.uk/nab2010

-Martin

 

[MichaelHalsell]

Err..

http://www.filmlight.ltd.uk/nab2010

-Martin

Oh Snap! Martin, good call! :yesnod:

 

[mikeburton]

DaVinci for $1K is a done deal for me. We'll see where it goes from there. I've been on the fence about buying SCRATCH for the past 2.5 years and just never pulled the trigger. I took a test drive of the Iridas offerings and almost bought SpeedGrade at one point.

This does seem like a "get them hooked" marketing tactic. I'm fine with that, it makes sense. I'm definitely interested to see what kind of performance and abilities come at the $1K price. If the software gives performance equal or better to Apple Color and as long as I can get 10bit/12bit monitoring support out of an SDI or HDMI BlackMagic card, it'll be worth every penny.

I'm with you Jeff. For $995 its a bargain! I'm hoping it will be similar to the way Adobe has incorporated the new Mercury Playback engine and can run approximately Half Res Medium to Half Res High in realtime with an NVIDIA 4800 card. A Wave control surface, Dreamcolor, Ultrascope, Panasonic Plasma and Cinespace and its off to the races. I guess we will have to wait and see how it performs but I'm stoked to get it in my toolkit.

 

[Hrvoje Simic]

Very interesting...


This is puzzling:

DaVinci Resolve for the Mac is the world’s most advanced color correction as a software only solution compatible with high performance GPU cards and off the shelf control panels such as the Tangent Wave™. Includes 32 bit float YRGB processing for all effects, power windows, tracking, primaries and secondaries and 3D object tracker. You get the a full copy of DaVinci Resolve with no features disabled, so you get a full system, with single GPU performance. Because DaVinci Resolve Software is a full DaVinci, as GPUs on Mac get faster, your DaVinci Resolve will get faster. Add supported third party control surfaces and video I/O, devices to let your system grow! Great first color correction solution when you're working heavily in SD and HD!

"Great first color correction solution" ?

A comparison chart between versions would be really helpful.

 

[jake blackstone]

Oh Snap! Martin, good call! :yesnod:

aaa, sorry, but it is too snappy for me. I WANT to see Filmlight and I'm looking at NAB exhibitor listing, but I can't find it. Correction, I see, they are doing their demos at the suite in the hotel, which makes them the only top of the line color grading manufacturer, not displaying their wares at the main NAB hall. IMHO Baselight is the most ergonomically wonderful and powerful color grading solution out there. They could have been the one making the announcement a-la DaVinci years ago, but like all great companies of the past (Kodak, Pogle, Ampex, RCA etc) they stubbornly refuse to change their business model until they slowly die off...

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Apple is busy with iPhone and iPad. In other words, that's not the horse I'd put my bet on...
On the other hand, Blackmagic will be my first stop on Wed. so I can get all the info from the horses mouth

It sounds like you think Apple only has one or two teams of developers. That is very wrong.