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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon...

But in the name of user friendliness, it would be nice to be able to select Super35 in the resolution menu, and get the rest of the sensor area as overscan, without having to learn the whole menu-system and all customization options...

Being raw, all you really need to know on the epic is turning it on, selecting shutter speed, resolutions and how to adjust ISO and color temperature for monitoring, and find the record button. It's quite cool that way.
 
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BTW I have liked the option of a 4k full frame sensor...30.7×15.8mm or BETTER: 36x18.5mm for Photographic lenses (or lenses with 36x24 coverage).
If used the same silicon tech as the 6k dragon, maybe could be achieved a native clean 3200 iso (or even 6400 iso if 36x18,5) in place of 2000 due to a much relaxed pixel density! ;)
An added bonus would have been we would not have to avoid diffraction limited apertures!
I know I'd gladly pay for it!
And is a PERFECT MATCH for Scarlet users who can't really use the 5k+ resolutions...
4096 x 2160 MAX but with LARGE pixels and an UBER-CLEAN image!
What do you think guys? ;)
 
Tommaso Alvisi said:
BTW I have liked the option of a 4k full frame sensor...30.7×15.8mm or BETTER: 36x18.5mm for Photographic lenses (or lenses with 36x24 coverage).
If used the same silicon tech as the 6k dragon, maybe could be achieved a native clean 3200 iso (or even 6400 iso if 36x18,5) in place of 2000 due to a much relaxed pixel density! ;)
An added bonus would have been we would not have to avoid diffraction limited apertures!
I know I'd gladly pay for it!
And is a PERFECT MATCH for Scarlet users who can't really use the 5k+ resolutions...
4096 x 2160 MAX but with LARGE pixels and an UBER-CLEAN image!
What do you think guys? ;)
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I think no. 5K or 6K sensor is essential for 4K output.

But yeah, if you want to design and build a camera and sensor with those specs, by all means, go ahead :sifone:
 
Trevor Meeks said:
I think no. 5K or 6K sensor is essential for 4K output.
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Yeah, but Red is selling a 4k camera...the Scarlet...it's already 4k only and so best suited for 1080P / 2K clean output...

Trevor Meeks said:
But yeah, if you want to design and build a camera and sensor with those specs, by all means, go ahead :sifone:
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mmm not so constructive comment...
 
You'll have to explain to me guys why make a 6k output with a 6k sensor when it seems that you need higher resolution sensor to output a final with less

Arri Alexa has a sensor of higher resolution for a lower output = Wonderful image quality

It seems to me that the RED EPIC offer a 5K image but it really deliver a wonderful 3K resolution. Why saying we have 5K not sharp and just saying you're having a wonderful 3K resolution camera? I don't know if you notice it guys but it's the same thing with the 5D Mark II. It says it makes HD video but you need to compress it in 720P to have a pin sharp signal. Please comment. I need to know if I'm mistaking about this.
 
Guillaume Tremblay said:
You'll have to explain to me guys why make a 6k output with a 6k sensor when it seems that you need higher resolution sensor to output a final with less

Arri Alexa has a sensor of higher resolution for a lower output = Wonderful image quality

It seems to me that the RED EPIC offer a 5K image but it really deliver a wonderful 3K resolution. Why saying we have 5K not sharp and just saying you're having a wonderful 3K resolution camera? I don't know if you notice it guys but it's the same thing with the 5D Mark II. It says it makes HD video but you need to compress it in 720P to have a pin sharp signal. Please comment. I need to know if I'm mistaking about this.
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That's it, you've got it :) But it's nice to be able to have the choice of what to do with your resolution right?
 
The interesting thing with debayer and working with raw is you have control of the perceived resolution of your final image.

Depending on how you want your final image to look and feel simple scaling of 5k down to 4k produces one result. Scaling and sharpening produces a different one. Depending on how much of an "edge" you want your in focus subject matter to have is completely up to you. On top of this there are different scaling and sharpening methods to explore as well.

Also, different subject matter and lenses provide different results. For instance I find that if I shoot wider than 18mm I tend to sharpen more aggressively. For certain CU or MCU shots I'll sometimes not sharpen at all.

Besides the technical merit of "pristine 4k" there's a whole lot of creative wiggle room that comes from having a higher source acquisition resolution.
 
Phil Holland said:
The interesting thing with debayer and working with raw is you have control of the perceived resolution of your final image.

Depending on how you want your final image to look and feel simple scaling of 5k down to 4k produces one result. Scaling and sharpening produces a different one. Depending on how much of an "edge" you want your in focus subject matter to have is completely up to you. On top of this there are different scaling and sharpening methods to explore as well.

Also, different subject matter and lenses provide different results. For instance I find that if I shoot wider than 18mm I tend to sharpen more aggressively. For certain CU or MCU shots I'll sometimes not sharpen at all.

Besides the technical merit of "pristine 4k" there's a whole lot of creative wiggle room that comes from having a higher source acquisition resolution.
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well said. i am finding this to be true as well.
 
6k is probably great, if I could find a way to see it. Strange that all the other manufacturers are giving much higher frame rates. As a director armed with a scarlet I would be happy to get the same frame rates as the Sony NEX FS 700 rather than 6k that has a mind boggling workflow.
 
The main reason Red can't give you the same frame rates per dollar that Sony does is not Red's resolution but Sony's massive compression.

1080p raw would probably be more MB/s than 6K in an 8-bit codec.
 
Hi Jarred!! Show us some Dragon love man.. it's Oct 11 and we are still not watching the jaw dropping images this beast is going to make!!.. i mean.. dude.. we are 80 days away from Dic 31.. time for some teasing!!.. :)
 
Daniel Peters said:
I'd just like to say...it took me almost 3-4 months to choose between #canon and #red for my future camera, so so happy i chose #red ;)

Had my Scarlet for about just under a month and love it

I hope since the Scarlet was due 120fps in SD
maybe with the dragon update the 120fps will be in 3K with either no crop or the crop 3K is currently in

4K would be great but i will def settle with 120fps in 3K ;)
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My guess is that the pixel rate stays the same.
Our M-X Epics can handle 5k at 120fps (5k-WS) now, an upgrade to Dragon give us ... 5k at 120 fps (5k-WS?) and 6k at 85fps. This gives me a clue that when the sensor is changed, nothing in the rest of pixel path is upgraded to higher spec.
To keep the upgrade of the Scarlet at a decent price, I would guess they don't upgrade the rest of the signal path in the Scarlet either.

This is my guess based on the info I've seen so far. Only RED knows their plans of course. IF they know it yet ... ;-)

/Henrik
 
I have a question regarding the future Dragon update. I just recently purchased my Scarlet (a few months ago) and am unfamiliar about how upgrades have worked in the past. I am considering purchasing a second Scarlet in the interim considering the Scarlet Dragon update may be some time away. My question is in the past has there been a deadline for submitting an upgrade request? Would like to know how much time I would have to save up for upgrading one or both cameras in the future. How did the original sensor upgrades work and if someone didn't upgrade would they still be able to today?
 
Are we still in line with a possible upgrade within 2012? And will it be both at the same time for Dragon and Dragon Monochrome?



Jannard said:
OK... it begins.

Jim

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KETCH ROSSi said:
Are we still in line with a possible upgrade within 2012? And will it be both at the same time for Dragon and Dragon Monochrome?
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Unfortunately not.... New ASIC is being built to go along with the sensor remember, the sensors came back from fab better than expected (better than the poster ) and have exceed the capabilities of the original Dragon ASIC.
 
Jarred Land said:
Unfortunately not.... New ASIC is being built to go along with the sensor remember, the sensors came back from fab better than expected (better than the poster ) and have exceed the capabilities of the original Dragon ASIC.
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No prob Jarred, I like the sound of that much better any ways, M8 will patiently await her turn to get Dragonsized... ;)
 
Jarred Land said:
Unfortunately not.... New ASIC is being built to go along with the sensor remember, the sensors came back from fab better than expected (better than the poster ) and have exceed the capabilities of the original Dragon ASIC.
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With great power comes great responsibility!

Hehehe.

Though you already mentioned it being better than expected, the "better than the poster" is awesome news! :)
 
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