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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon....

Great to see the Dragon in the wild!!

Don't I wish I was still in Cali now!!


But... Jarred... Didn't you said you wanted to come to Italy? Now would be a perfect time... Of course if your Beautiful wife was to accompany and a Dragon Epic was to find its way in your bag, that would be fantastic too... ;)
 
Sergio Perez said:
Exactly. My last year workflow for these racing videos (done for the prize giving showing in the same day the event ended-quick reference https://vimeo.com/53943018) worked wonderfully with the MX, Rocket, 1080p prores 4:2:2 HQ to mix and match different format cameras we used for the event.
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As someone that is a huge Formula racing fan (and all types of racing in general), I'm very envious of your project. Great work. Loved the highlights reel. Well done.
 
Phil Holland said:
Dude. The pleasure was mine. A nice surprise for sure. Don't think I'll forget today anytime soon!
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Thanks for sharing guys. Added you on Instagram, Phil. Keep the eyecandy coming.

Jarred, any time you need a case man to help you carry a Dragon box around the desert, call me.
 
Jarred, what can you tell us about the brand new bodies of Scarlet - Dragon? Are they going to be in store at the end of September?
 
Phil Holland said:
You guys should really be following me on instagram or twitter:

https://twitter.com/phfx
http://instagram.com/philhollandphfx/
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Okay folks, I'm back and officially FRIED (pun intended)... I was shooting a "pitch" piece spec for a buddy and the location proved perfect to snare a Dragon. We shot some blazing hot desert junkyard daylight material as well as a "power-outage" no-light look night scene in the junkyard with some faint toplight ambiance and a WAAAAY subdued backlight, letting the character basically light himself and the environment with his large MagLight flashlight. All of this was shot 6K ANA mode on Jarred's Dragon.

We definitely got some stellar images at ISO 1600 and I COULD have shot at an even higher rating, but I literally ran out of scrims for the lights! We'll have to process the footage and see what comes up and what Jarred wants to reveal! Bwahaahaha... Needless to say, it was fun for all (even with a skeleton crew and minimal gear (which only behooved using the Dragon's high sensitivity even more!).

Thanks Jarred for making this come together so quickly and literally creating a Dragon Anamorphic build in 2 hours!
 
That's a great team to do some tests with a skeleton crew in a challenging location. Look forward to the results and thoughts from Christopher and Phil.
 
Jarred Land said:
Is done.
Graeme has also had the time to really dig deep into the color science. He will say he is never done.. but there are alot of color improvements he has made that are worth the upgrade all by themselves.
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That's the first thing I've heard that really got my attention.

I know there's some back-and-forth on Jim's Dragon post today about MX color rendition. All I can say is that while the MX is mostly pretty neutral, there are certain parts of the spectrum that simply don't render accurately. Blues, in particular, push toward cyan and/or get excessively bright. I've always wondered whether it was a mismatch in the rolloffs of the filters on the blue- and green- sensing photosites, or what.

For me, the extra dynamic range and resolution of Dragon aren't worth the upgrade price, given my business model. But better color accuracy across the spectrum would be. I look forward to seeing results. (Ditto on getting accurate color on the 9" LCD. For example, greenscreen is closer to blue than green on my 9". It's completely useless for judging color.)
 
I know I'm late but a heater on the board???? wow! mind blowing.. who comes up with this stuff? amazing! I'm with the right company there is no need to buy from any other camera company. Question ..when I rise to the top will I be able to test future RED cameras on my films? =)
 
Scott Auerbach said:
That's the first thing I've heard that really got my attention.

I know there's some back-and-forth on Jim's Dragon post today about MX color rendition. All I can say is that while the MX is mostly pretty neutral, there are certain parts of the spectrum that simply don't render accurately. Blues, in particular, push toward cyan and/or get excessively bright. I've always wondered whether it was a mismatch in the rolloffs of the filters on the blue- and green- sensing photosites, or what.

For me, the extra dynamic range and resolution of Dragon aren't worth the upgrade price, given my business model. But better color accuracy across the spectrum would be. I look forward to seeing results. (Ditto on getting accurate color on the 9" LCD. For example, greenscreen is closer to blue than green on my 9". It's completely useless for judging color.)
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+10 - rare is the time when we have no ND on the camera, or at least scrims/ND gels on the lights - as most lighting instruments are designed around the assumption of 200 ISO, maybe 500 at the very most. You can't just back up something like a Kino - it doesn't look the same - so really there is always too much light as it is. I feel no urge to shoot under "natural" city light at night - moonlight would be cool, but even that is nowhere to be found in the centers of large cities, where very ugly light pollution overwhelms the moon in most places and most nights. But color - color is great, but far from perfect on MX, and still way behind film even with a careful grade. Fix that and you'll have my 10K with a smile.
 
Robert Ruffo New said:
+10 - rare is the time when we have no ND on the camera, or at least scrims/ND gels on the lights - as most lighting instruments are designed around the assumption of 200 ISO, maybe 500 at the very most. You can't just back up something like a Kino - it doesn't look the same - so really there is always too much light as it is. I feel no urge to shoot under "natural" city light at night - moonlight would be cool, but even that is nowhere to be found in the centers of large cities, where very ugly light pollution overwhelms the moon in most places and most nights. But color - color is great, but far from perfect on MX, and still way behind film even with a careful grade. Fix that and you'll have my 10K with a smile.
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+ 1000!
 
Decisions, decisions. Trying to figure out whether I should buy a used Epic right now and shoot till I can afford the Dragon, or just take the hit and buy a new Epic w/ Dragon.
Any suggestions?

Chris
bourkeproductions.com
 
yeah take the hit man because the investment puts you at the top of the line, why go used when you can go new? It may take a little more time but it will be well worth it..go Dragon.
 
There are advantages and disadvantages of taking the hit...

What first comes to mind is that if you haven't shot on a RED before, it'll be different from whatever you have been shooting on before. It takes some time to understand the exposure techniques, read the histogram correctly, get the settings the way you want them...

However, it's a walk in the park compared to other cameras on the market.

A lot of us took the hit when the R1's were first introduced. It was worth it then, and RED has stayed true to their first 1000 customers...and have even passed along rewards for those who have adopted the RED way of thinking a little later than the first of us.

So take the hit and shoot shoot shoot...just do some tests before taking on a job. The last thing we all want is a Dragon out in the wild that gets a bad name...
 
jake blackstone said:
Wait just a minute. Are you saying, that Red finally will allow GPU debayer?
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Big NO on that... Last I read it was only the post-processing effects (and scaling?) that will be moving over to GPU. Basically still need an RR, but some of alchemy group, unsharp, grain, etc can be done on a GPU.

...Better than nothing.
 
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