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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dragon....

Hey look, PJ is shooting on a 20mm prime, one of the best focal lengths ever!

KETCH ROSSi said:
Yea Inez and Vinoodh's photo we had seen and now also PJ's... ;)

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I was going to say, I didn't realize he was a lefty, but then I realized he's in the southern hemisphere, and everything is topsy-turvy down there...

How long does it take to ship to Toia/Australia? Because that's when things will get interesting.
 
Jarred Land said:
Darius Wolski, Inez and Vinoodh, Chris Probst, Peter Jackson + Andrew Lesnie, , Michael Bay and Amir and Peter Collister all have wielded the Dragon. Toia is up to bat next.

Most of these guys priority with the Dragon isn't to take "marketing" images.. they are shooting tests or footage for their current or next films.

But don't worry... im sure a few people like Toia are gonna have a hard time keeping footage to themselves :)
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Your right Jarred, I will find it hard. :)
 
Text is context-less... I read into it like it was a double agent... Like, '... I'm sure a few people like Toia are gonna have a hard time keeping footage to themselves :) [but he better because he signed an NDA]' to which Toia replied 'You're right Jarred, I will find it hard. :)' in which the smiley face implied something devious...

In either case, how long does it take a Dragon to fly to Australia, anyway? I'm having a hard time not getting sucked into the potential (particularly after Phil's BTS stills of Probst's power outage shoot.)
 
Jarred Land said:
Darius Wolski, Inez and Vinoodh, Chris Probst, Peter Jackson + Andrew Lesnie, , Michael Bay and Amir and Peter Collister all have wielded the Dragon. Toia is up to bat next.

Most of these guys priority with the Dragon isn't to take "marketing" images.. they are shooting tests or footage for their current or next films.

But don't worry... im sure a few people like Toia are gonna have a hard time keeping footage to themselves :)
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Hands up for testing after Toia! or I might have to fly down under and wrestle him :)
 
Hey Jarred,

As we anticipate the arrival of Dragon, will anything from the Dragon firmware trickle into the MX cameras? Just curious if any of those breakthroughs can be repurposed.

Thanks a bunch!
 
Mike P. said:
Yeah, I realized that after Jarred said I missed the point. That's why I'm askin how long it takes for a Dragon to fly to Oz (Toia's stomping ground).
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I'm just wondering... are digital sensors now immune from damage from air travel? I heard a story about the Superman shoot where they flew in some Genesis cameras from LA to Sydney and all the footage had missing lines which had to be filled in. Not a problem if you're downsampling from 6K to 2K, but still, damage is damage.
 
Our Epic has done quite a bit of flying and never had any problems.
Guess a Dragon should fly with even less problems;-)
 
Hi Guys...

Both Jarred and Jim know that I don't pull many punches. So for them to send me their camera, must mean that they are extremely confident in the new sensors capabilities.
But lets be serious for a second, I'm not expecting miracles, like having noise free images at 10,000ASA or 20+ stops of DR, thats just plain silly.
But that said, my expectations are high and I'm going into this test with an open mind.

And to be clear... Jarred and Jim have not in anyway way asked me or pressured me or made me sign any crazy letters saying that I have to only say good things.
Jarred is not sending the camera with a team of techs, lawyers (and hit men) to make sure I shoot and say exactly the way they want
Jarred has pretty much sent it to me to test with no strings attached knowing that I will probably share my no BS testing with you all.
That said... I'm not going to be a dick !. I will share my views and the real world advantages that I require for my shooting style. I'm not going to crap on about pixels and colour sciences as that's best left for the pixel peeping nerds to fight over.

I'm going to push the camera to its extreme limits in 3 areas that I'd personally like to see a real difference in.

1. Hi ISO low light noise, just how useable is 2000iso, 4000iso and upwards, 6k will obviously yield the best results, especially when down-converted to HD... but what about 5k & 4k... Say if I want to shoot 150 to 200FPS slo-motion at night in low light, can I do that with less noise ? How much cleaner is this sensor compared to the last.

2. I'll be shooting a lot of hi contrast scenes, I really want to know exactly how much useable information can i retrieve out of a shot that maybe up to 10 - 12 stops between bright sunlight and dark shadows. Will I be able to see the difference straight up or do I have to window out what I need and pull up in the grade. Either which way, I'll be putting a lot of time into this part of the test.

3. We all know that all Digital cameras (yes Arri included) loose information in the very bright highlights. I'm just wondering how much information is actually hiding within these blown out highlights and can I retrieve any of it. Or better yet, If I expose only for those highlights, how much info can I dig out of the rest of the shot that maybe now in darkness. Shooting silver cars in the middle of the day in bright sunlight is not easy on any sensor. Lets see what we can get.
The monochrome was amazing in this test, I'm hoping the Dragon will equal it.

The Skin color argument over the years was absolute bullshit. I've never had the issue, never seen the issue. I've shot more shades and tones of skin than most people due to my global travels... and still yet to see the problem. I will be shooting some faces, but not for this reason.

I'll be very happy if the technology leap is as high as what it was between the first REDONE M 4k sensor and the current EPIC - MX 5k, that was quite a leap...

That all said, I applaud Jarred & Jim's confidence in loaning their baby to someone like me as I'm not a technical tester, or an academy award winner, I'm more the real world guy that travels the planet smashing out project after project. My needs are heavy and diverse and I'm spoilt for choice, I don't have budget problems so I can afford any camera I want and so far the RED EPIC has ticked more boxes for me than any other camera on the market today. The Dragon sensor upgrade should take it to the next level, and thats what I'm excited about seeing over the next week.

But at the end of the day I'm just like one of you, out there pushing the camera to the limits each day wanting to know that for $9500 dollars, will I then be armed with the best tool technology can offer me for the best price, heading well into the future.

I'll get back to you soon.

Cheers Guys.
 
Phil Holland said:
Nice Mark. Looking forward to what you churn out.
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You have already had a good play with it Phil, whats holding you back on your assessments.
Your a knowledgeable man, I'm sure you have some very qualified views so far.
 
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