DRAGON vs EPIC MX Noise - NOT GOOD

[Jan Reiff]

we were just playing , testing under high contrast conditions with cameras in a shooting break, ... assistant wrote down what the setup was, just fyi if some is interested in Dragon - MX comparison ...
http://we.tl/DLrl6BswA9

actually Dragon is equal or more noisy as MX in the shadows, but over the resolution a light NR gives same result - when (!) we would have the old OLPF shadows this is really a dynamic king ...

 

[Lauri Kettunen]

if some is interested in Dragon - MX comparison ... http://we.tl/DLrl6BswA9

Thanks Jan, rather informative images which reveal well the improvement in the colours from MX to Dragon. Next we just need to wait for the firmware tackling the noise in the bottom.

 

[Ivan McCullough]

.... Next we just need to wait for the firmware tackling the noise in the bottom.

People keep saying this will be fixed with fw, I see nothing from RED that says it will.

Facts: the 1st OLPF had crazy clean shadows
the new OLPF fixed the flare problems but required the camera to go in to RED for 're-calibration' (note, at the time some people outside of the US asked if the OLPF swap could be done by themselves, they were told yes but the re-calibration had to be done by RED)
the new OLPF and re-calibration have resulted in noisy shadows (and midtones according to some testers)

The question is what is more likely to have resulted in noisy shadows and mids, the OLPF, or the re-calibration? For me it seems more likely its the latter and therefore its likely the cameras have to go back to RED.

 

[Maz Mawlawi]

People keep saying this will be fixed with fw, I see nothing from RED that says it will.

Facts: the 1st OLPF had crazy clean shadows
the new OLPF fixed the flare problems but required the camera to go in to RED for 're-calibration' (note, at the time some people outside of the US asked if the OLPF swap could be done by themselves, they were told yes but the re-calibration had to be done by RED)
the new OLPF and re-calibration have resulted in noisy shadows (and midtones according to some testers)

The question is what is more likely to have resulted in noisy shadows and mids, the OLPF, or the re-calibration? For me it seems more likely its the latter and therefore its likely the cameras have to go back to RED.

No point of speculating at this point...let's see what RED comes up with.... but the reason why people are saying a FW may fix it is because Jarret alluded to something about Greame tweaking the Color science to deal with the noise (or something like this)

 

[Jarred Land]

People keep saying this will be fixed with fw, I see nothing from RED that says it will.

Facts: the 1st OLPF had crazy clean shadows
the new OLPF fixed the flare problems but required the camera to go in to RED for 're-calibration' (note, at the time some people outside of the US asked if the OLPF swap could be done by themselves, they were told yes but the re-calibration had to be done by RED)
the new OLPF and re-calibration have resulted in noisy shadows (and midtones according to some testers)

The question is what is more likely to have resulted in noisy shadows and mids, the OLPF, or the re-calibration? For me it seems more likely its the latter and therefore its likely the cameras have to go back to RED.

Ivan I don't know what you keep implying.

Ive said 3 times now that a new firmware and the new OLPF will help with the noise.

The new calibration for the new OLPF does not need to come back to RED. The cameras have been programmed with the new OLPF. The cameras had to come back to RED because as a user, you can't select which OLPF your camera has. So if you swapped OLPFs, and we didn't program that into the camera, all RED and 3rd party software would not know which OLPF settings to use and the color science would all be mixed up.

It feels like we are now talking in circles... I think its time to close this thread down.