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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DR ..a good discussion!!

Luigi,

Thank you very much for providing this footage!! I am on a tablet right now, but I will get to them later on this morning.


Rand
 
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Luigi,

The "CINE5K" folder seems to be the only folder with files. Is that correct?
 
Luigi,

Thanks Luigi!

The "A003_C001_0424GZ.RDC" folder has the largest amount. However, with my slow internet speeds, those "3.76GB" files, just one them, is going to take a fairly long time to download.
 
Luigi I have a question for you. Now that you have at your disposal an Alexa Mini, RED Montstro, and a Gemini which camera do you feel has the nicest skintones and color out of the box? This forum gives plenty of example of how the Monstro and Gemini are beasts in lowlight but there's not too many shots with all three cameras in good lighting situations with peoples faces (Im still downloading the footage from your FTP:)

I own a Helium Weapon and a Dragon and I'm really debating what to do. Thinking of waiting until next year to see if Arri comes out with a 4k Alexa Mini and to see if Panasonic can actually make a camera with their 8k dream sensor (heard they're having plenty of problems with heat and power) but I'm also pretty impressed with what I've been seeing with the Gemini and Monstro. I just wish there was more daylight footage with all three cameras to see the difference. Looking at the footage you've been uploading on a 65" 4k Monitor and there's no question that the old Alexa just doesn't have the resolution or lowlight sensitivity to make it a worthwhile future proof investment. But just did a job with two Alexa Minis (client request) and can't deny how easy it is to work with their color science to make clients happy, especially when it comes to skin (job with the Mini's was for Neutrogena). Any honest feedback from someone who actually has all three would be amazing.
 
Woman in Black Redo

Internet problems with files from Luigi's server so reposted these.


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[/url]Woman in Black 1 by rand thompson, on Flickr[/IMG]


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[/url]Woman in Black 2 by rand thompson, on Flickr[/IMG]
 
Luigi I have a question for you. Now that you have at your disposal an Alexa Mini, RED Montstro, and a Gemini which camera do you feel has the nicest skintones and color out of the box? This forum gives plenty of example of how the Monstro and Gemini are beasts in lowlight but there's not too many shots with all three cameras in good lighting situations with peoples faces (Im still downloading the footage from your FTP:)

I own a Helium Weapon and a Dragon and I'm really debating what to do. Thinking of waiting until next year to see if Arri comes out with a 4k Alexa Mini and to see if Panasonic can actually make a camera with their 8k dream sensor (heard they're having plenty of problems with heat and power) but I'm also pretty impressed with what I've been seeing with the Gemini and Monstro. I just wish there was more daylight footage with all three cameras to see the difference. Looking at the footage you've been uploading on a 65" 4k Monitor and there's no question that the old Alexa just doesn't have the resolution or lowlight sensitivity to make it a worthwhile future proof investment. But just did a job with two Alexa Minis (client request) and can't deny how easy it is to work with their color science to make clients happy, especially when it comes to skin (job with the Mini's was for Neutrogena). Any honest feedback from someone who actually has all three would be amazing.

Anton,
yours is a good observation point.
Unfortunately I have not yet had time to film with three cameras in comparison.
I can cut out a few hours in the evening to understand how they behave. As you said Gemini and Monstro are beasts compared to Alexa at night. Until now there is no discussion.
In the coming weeks I should cut out a day for the skin tones in daylight. So we can understand better.
For now Monstro and Gemini have not yet put them into production, this because I want to understand the merits and defects.
Even today many productions film at 1080, advertising videoclip some fiction, what still counts is the visual quality of the colors and the ease of the workflow. I see a lot of my customers who talk about 8k get scared. I can understand them also because you have to have good PC or MAc to manage this flow. You can always work with the proxy but then you have to have time for the color and the render with good machines able to manage everything in real time. Have the customer in color and have to wait to play or render as soon as you put some knot in more is not the best. And 8k raw to full debayer on 4k timeline is not that easy. These times on the roadmap are more costs on the productions and not all have the budget to do it. Especially in these times where everything runs faster and has no money.
So an ALEXA where produces excellent prores out of the box and excellent colors ease the customer to choose Alexa consolidated for almost 10 years.
Your question is hard to answer, from what little I have seen so far Gemini and Monstro on paper have the possibility to overturn this situation but not in the short period of time. The prores they produce are really good and with the new stream simplified IPP2 everything flows faster.
I think that for the skin tones on these two cameras are much more accurate in any lighting condition. This is what I saw in a short time.
Gemini, ALexa, Monstro have three personalities. So I would never, personal opinion, that they resembled but rather have the possibility of having three possibilities of stamp. This would allow me to choose the ideal sensor for customer production.
Yes skintone is the reference point for everyone, or at least the ease of getting to the skin color without much difficulty.
I'm curious too, so I'll do these tests as soon as possible.
I risk your answer, if I had seen right in this short time and had to choose now, having no camera and no problems of money, my choice would certainly fall on Monstro. ;)
 
Luigi,

My Internet is the problem. We had a very bad storm which blew down trees and power lines. Internet service is still spotty and large downloads never seem to be able to finish, I have to constantly reset my Wi-Fi high speed modem. Hopefully the problem will be resolved soon but for right now " It is what it is".
 
Anton,
yours is a good observation point.
Unfortunately I have not yet had time to film with three cameras in comparison.
I can cut out a few hours in the evening to understand how they behave. As you said Gemini and Monstro are beasts compared to Alexa at night. Until now there is no discussion.
In the coming weeks I should cut out a day for the skin tones in daylight. So we can understand better.
For now Monstro and Gemini have not yet put them into production, this because I want to understand the merits and defects.
Even today many productions film at 1080, advertising videoclip some fiction, what still counts is the visual quality of the colors and the ease of the workflow. I see a lot of my customers who talk about 8k get scared. I can understand them also because you have to have good PC or MAc to manage this flow. You can always work with the proxy but then you have to have time for the color and the render with good machines able to manage everything in real time. Have the customer in color and have to wait to play or render as soon as you put some knot in more is not the best. And 8k raw to full debayer on 4k timeline is not that easy. These times on the roadmap are more costs on the productions and not all have the budget to do it. Especially in these times where everything runs faster and has no money.
So an ALEXA where produces excellent prores out of the box and excellent colors ease the customer to choose Alexa consolidated for almost 10 years.
Your question is hard to answer, from what little I have seen so far Gemini and Monstro on paper have the possibility to overturn this situation but not in the short period of time. The prores they produce are really good and with the new stream simplified IPP2 everything flows faster.
I think that for the skin tones on these two cameras are much more accurate in any lighting condition. This is what I saw in a short time.
Gemini, ALexa, Monstro have three personalities. So I would never, personal opinion, that they resembled but rather have the possibility of having three possibilities of stamp. This would allow me to choose the ideal sensor for customer production.
Yes skintone is the reference point for everyone, or at least the ease of getting to the skin color without much difficulty.
I'm curious too, so I'll do these tests as soon as possible.
I risk your answer, if I had seen right in this short time and had to choose now, having no camera and no problems of money, my choice would certainly fall on Monstro. ;)

Luigi, thank you so much for writing this, this is all extremely helpful. Beginning to think my ideal situation would be to upgrade my Helium Weapon to a Monstro and save money for an Alexa Mini 2 (if it ever actually comes out). This would truly be an ideal scenario and somehow have the best of both worlds. Thanks again for all the files you keep posting, I hope RED gives you a good discount for all the invaluable support you're giving all of us REDUSERS :)
 
Luigi, what did you find when testing the Gemini with the black magic. We just did a test with them and the a7iii. We found at normal calibration you could pull the Gemini back from 8 stops over into a useable place and just a little more than 5 stops on the prores of the 4.6k. The 4.6k faired better under though and was able to pull skin back to a viewable space at 8 under. Gemini more like 6. The low light calibration does some awesome things though at 3200 if you need to shoot in lowlight.
 
Can you share any personal examples?

Yes, I think you saw one of these already, just another one in front of windows just to show how easy it's recreating in non-direct sunlight.

+1 I would love to see your example @ 800iso. Thanks for an R3D.
Pat

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10QE0XAXkjj4Gd2x8GNEmYIvq-4WjDKLd/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/open?id=10VLb5GqR2rEMUbb16xjkMuHwLq9TKUH_

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1EjiIlh8pJRjv370FPhUSzOK4L7ydeRvX

I also contacted tech support.
 
Rand can you repost fewer screenshots? please..

I promise! no more than one possible "Redo" in the future. But be sure to remind me. I know people must get tired of me reposting shit all the time. Sometimes overnight, I think of a new way to grade what I already posted and just wanted to resubmit it. However, In the future I promise to wait for my third idea on how to grade something and then post "that" one. Okay, Deal?
 
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Daniel.


I graded 2 of your images but didn't see what you were talking about could you point them out?

Hey Rand, my name is David by the way lol. Here's the message I sent tech support.

-- BEGIN MESSAGE --

Green banding in natural daytime light in situations ISO800-1600 with perfect exposure. Calibration both v1/v2.

Circled in JPEG.
On the black man in the backseat on the right side of his face.
On the windows, it's on the right side of the window.
On the artificial light, it's coming from the light bleeding into the darkness.

No direct sun other than the light.
5500K for daytime 4300K for artificial light.

Let me know if you need any other info.

Thanks,
David

-- END MESSAGE --
 
David,


I'm sorry for the name mix up man , I ways helping someone else in another thread recently, Just saw "Da" and started typing.


Is this what you meant in this scene?

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[/url]David Test 2 by rand thompson, on Flickr[/IMG]

And on the kid in the backseat, did you mean his "actual" right or "Camera Right"?

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[/url]David's Tests 1 (2) by rand thompson, on Flickr[/IMG]
 
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