Double Dragon....

[Daniel Murphy]

Ha Ha!

 

[Clint Childers]

Down Rez 4K possible?

Down Rez 4K possible?

In another post Jim said "down rez" is good. Is it possible with this new
Sensor and ASIC to have a pristine 4k down rezzed mode in camera?
ie taking the full 6k sensor area and down rezzing to a true 4k?
Having a down rezzed, NOT cropped 4k mode in camera would save
us mear mortals in post, not to mention longer record times in the field.
I guess the real question is, does the Epic have the processing power
to even do such a thing?

 

[Chase M. Wrenn]

I'm curious about the RedMags and Side SSD module, can it handle these data rates? I imagine at higher compression rates/Redcodes, it should, but is the data transfer and throughput limited by this increase in data? Are we going to need to invest in a new SSD module? I imagine the bigger and/or faster SSD's will be hugely beneficial here...

 

[Brian Self]

I recently watched a 4k video on my iPad 1, I didnt think I would see a MAJOR difference watch at 1080, boy was I wrong. BLOW AWAY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k_okcNVZqqI

 

[Brant Hadfield]

Referring to my 4k Scarlet, "The image just isn't sharp enough. Can you make it look more crisp and digital?" Said by nobody. Ever.
What I do hear, over and over, from producers, directors, and clients, is, "can you make it look more like film?" "Can you get it looking more like Alexa?" "We don't want people looking so crisp and edgy."
I know it's very early in development, and the claimed DR is stunning. But I really can't get excited over these images yet. Very clean, very detailed, crisp. True. But if I were Arri, I wouldn't be pushing the panic button if I just saw these shots. Their secret sauce may still be secret.

 

[Jaime Vallés]

 

[Jake Bastian]

I'm curious about the RedMags and Side SSD module, can it handle these data rates? I imagine at higher compression rates/Redcodes, it should, but is the data transfer and throughput limited by this increase in data? Are we going to need to invest in a new SSD module? I imagine the bigger and/or faster SSD's will be hugely beneficial here...

I don't think the module is the issue here, but something tells me we'll need these to really get the most out of Dragon.

512GB TURBO SSD - Data Rate almost double current media. Take advantage of Epic's higher Frame rates at a lower compression. Priced to match. A lot of Epic user's dream..

32GB Lower Cost SSD - Data Rate almost half current media. Matched to Scarlet's top speed. Priced to match. A lot of Scarlet user's dream..

 

[Thor Wixom]

News like this temps me to schedule my directorial debut around the release of the Dragon.

 

[Paul Harb]

Color science and workflow.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

The Alexa looks like film trope is getting tiresome. Yes, ARRI decided to use color matrices/gamma curve for the nominal output similar to a film LUT. Comfortable as an old slipper and right in line with what DPs have been delivering for years, especially the highlight roll off - nice job. The Alexa is a very capable 1080 camera with good color science (yes, there are more pixels available in the ArriRAW but if this is a resolution contest...).

IAC, there is more than enough image information in the RAW data set from the Epic/Scarlet to create an RGB image that looks like whatever film stock you care to emulate and plenty of tools to get there. If you want to you can create a RMD file in RCP-X that you can load into the camera and get the monitor tap to mimic the Alexa "look" pretty closely. FWIW you can take Alexa footage into post and make it look like video if you want, there's plenty of image information even in Alexa's ProRes files to do a fair amount of manipulation.

The cameras at the top of the D-cinema food chain all make nice fat digital "negs" so IF the lighting, lensing, etc creates a base image with a look that's in the neighborhood of the creative intent for final - you're good. RED offers more genuine resolution and color bit depth than Alexa, but for a 1080 rec. 709 deliverable that may not matter all that much - especially for narrative work where its mostly about pretty pictures and often about making talent look a certain way. Don't get me wrong, you can make very pretty pictures and make talent look very nice with Epic/Scarlet as well.

Just saying that the resolution and color bit depth advantages of the Epic/Scarlet vs the Alexa are not that significant in a typical HD finish. Where the more meaningful difference lies is in higher resolution deliverables, theatrical exhibition, P3 (DCI) color space and highly stylized looks.

Cheers - #19

 

[Paul Ellington]

WOW! I could say more but it isn't needed.

 

[Maik Müller]

From the other thread:

6K has 45% more pixels than 5K.
The cleaner the sensor the more you can compress in REDCODE RAW. Dragon has less than half the noise of Mysterium-X.

Sounds awesome, we are probably not going to see a extreme increase in data-rates.

 

[Shane Daly DP]

Shit just got real... Can't wait! 6K ANA is going to look bonkers good!

I think so too, exactly what I'm waiting for

 

[Les Dittert]

We're gonna need new lenses.

And have a way to focus them accurately, otherwise you have 3K.

Image looks great !

 

[Zeb B]

I recently watched a 4k video on my iPad 1, I didnt think I would see a MAJOR difference watch at 1080, boy was I wrong. BLOW AWAY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k_okcNVZqqI

Holy Crap! You got one of those prototype 4K iPads?!?!? Did you find it on a bar seat in San Fran? Mine only displays 2048 x 1536 (wink)

 

[Jeff McCoy]

AMAZINGGGGgggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take my money now please. I don't even care how much it's going to cost. This is ridiculous. How are you doing the impossible? Dragon, Meizler, RedRay, Projector - I cannot wait to welcome you to my family.

 

[Leland Haushalter]

Fantastic!

 

[Jason Diamond]

any idea of what kind of performance we'll be getting with 6k footage out of a current red rocket? any kind of foreshadowing to an update for this card? Might be a good hint for anybody on the fence getting a rocket right now so they don't have to drop almost 5k on a card right before a new one is on the horizon. Unless the idea is, you'll need 2 rockets for real time for dragon footage...

My guess is a new Rocket with same performance the current card has in 5K but at 6K with tiered performance on down.

just a hunch.

 

[Terry VerHaar]

Blair said it all - if you aren't getting the picture you want out of your Epic or Scarlet, don't blame the camera. You just need to get better at what you do and get to know it's capabilities.

 

[Thomas Pierrepont]

Awesome!