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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Do YOU want 6k??

Do YOU want 6k??

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philipe I will never be a Novice around here or anywhere else for that matter. Done talking about that.
 
David I still have my ACL and NPR just in case film gets back on track and digital starts to cost like 35mm cameras. Also its another option and format to use down the line. Never knew someone would use 8mm film for a feature and look what happened =) I have to get back to the full art of film making and lose the point and shoot thing..guess I got lazy.
 
Curran Giddens said:
More "K"s for me please. It's called over sampling.
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Curran is totally right. Having a 6K camera isn't about shooting for a 6K display, it's about getting a superior image out of the camera. As long as more Ks don't mean a sacrifice in other areas (that's the part that evolves over time), you can never have enough resolution.

Justin O'Neill said:
Absolutely. Dragon is a sensor upgrade for the current Epic brain though...it doesn't sound like they can get FF35 or higher with the same brain. The Monstro line of Epics is still to come.
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The dragon sensor IS a monstro chip. Monstro is a family of sensors, not a sensor size.
 
Häakon said:
As long as more Ks don't mean a sacrifice in other areas (that's the part that evolves over time), you can never have enough resolution.
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Might be a good time for someone from Red to confirm that the smaller pixel size will not cause any reduction to possible DR or sensitivity improvements in the new sensor.
 
Mark Pugh said:
Might be a good time for someone from Red to confirm that the smaller pixel size will not cause any reduction to possible DR or sensitivity improvements in the new sensor.
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They already have. Dragon is already gaining us at least 2 stops over the current MX sensor and the noise floor has been reduced. Other than that, we don't know any specifics though. It's been a while but there was a thread on here discussion that it's a common misconception that sensor performance is directly tied to the size of photosites or pixels. In the most simplistic terms, a sensor's performance is the product of its design. You want a better performing sensor with smaller pixels? Sure, no problem, you just need to design better pixels.
 
Why are certain people assuming that a tighter pixel pitch means less DR or ISO? When the 5D Mark 2 came out, it had a much denser pixel array, but also constituted a quantum leap in ISO performance over the original 5D. These things are not mutually exclusive.
 
No offense intended, Jeff, Tom, or Justin...
Someone from Red?

There's been about 300 posts on the sensor in the last few days, but none from Red except one quickie from Graeme that only addressed a very old article.

I heard about the two stops/ low light.
Didn't miss that one. Sounds great, and I'll be upgrading to Dragon ASAP.
It's just that quite a few people are raising talk about MAXIMIZING those parameters, and having no compromise on those for pixel size.

Cheers.
 
Mark Pugh said:
point is, no one's assumed it, but they are wondering about it, so it might be good to hear from someone actually involved with the actual sensor.
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But we've already heard. Dragon will be a quantum leap in dynamic range (15 stops) and will gain 1 or 2 stops of sensitivity. What else do you want them to say?
 
Mark Pugh said:
Something about pixel size vs low light.
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They have already addressed this. Pixel size will decrease and light sensitivity will increase.

Also, by having more resolution, you gain better ISO performance, because noise is lost during the downsample.
 
If this was such an issue, the 1D mark IV would be terrible in low light, which it clearly isn't, and the sensor size is equivalent to the Epic. It is a 17 megapixel camera. The Epic is a 14.4 megapixel camera, it can certainly improve to that number of pixels and sensitivity.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Pixel size will decrease and light sensitivity will increase..
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Yes i know but...
The question is... Will light sensitivity increase DESPITE pixel size decreasing?
Or to phrase it differently, would low light performance be even better if the pixel size didn't get smaller with dragon?

Someone from Red, PLEASE.
 
Mark Pugh said:
Someone from Red, PLEASE.
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I respect the information you're seeking, but RED has given us a targeted release date of more than 7 months from now which means it will likely change 100 more times before it sees the light of day (how punny). Asking for hard information at this point is pretty much pointless... even Scarlet was changing up to the HOUR of its announcement.
 
Häakon said:
I respect the information you're seeking, but RED has given us a targeted release date of more than 7 months from now which means it will likely change 100 more times before it sees the light of day (how punny). Asking for hard information at this point is pretty much pointless... even Scarlet was changing up to the HOUR of its announcement.
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I was wondering about a general comment on pixel size affecting ISO. That's all.
Something that could be answered right now.
 
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