Display Options For 4k Red-ray

[Peter Majtan]

Since this corner of the forum has died a little I decided to breathe in a little life. I have seen now and then scattered across the forum links and details about possible 4K monitoring options.

Anyone who cares to contribute - please post a link for a possible 4K monitoring options and I will try to keep it up-to-date in the bellow summary:

Category A1 (Pro 4K projectors):

Sony's SRX-R220
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Sony-CineAlta-4K-projector.html
Price: unknown

Category A2 ("Accessible" - read tens of thousands, not
hundreds - 4K projectors):

Sony's SRX-R105
http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Sony-SRX-R105-projector.html
Price: about $66K

Barco FX-5
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068
Price: about $85K

Category B1 (Pro 4K monitors):

Any suggestions?

Category B2 ("Consumer" 4K Plasmas & LCD's):

Sony's 82" 4K plasma:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/06/video-82-inch-4k-sony-prototype-display-gets-showcased/
Price: unknown

Panasonic's 150" 4K plasma:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/televisions/0,39029474,49294967,00.htm
Price: unknown

Sharp's 4K x 2K plasma:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2006/10/06/sharp-unveils-4k-tv/
Price: unknown

Toshiba's 56" 4xHD monitor:
http://www.crunchgear.com/2007/04/17/nab-2007-toshibas-56-inch-almost-4k-monitor/
Price: unknown

Astro Systems' 56" LCD:
http://www.pclaunches.com/monitors/astrosystems_dm3400_56inch_4k_x_2k_res_lcd_monitor.php
Price: unknown

 

[Craig Ryan]

To me it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask for a 40-50" LCD with 4k resolution in the sub 5k$ price range; something like this should be available within the next year or so whether it be Apple or Dell. Plus we are still anticipating RED to officially announce their line of 4k displays/projector(s) they mentioned at NAB before. It would be nice for RED users to see their content 1:1 as opposed to the Quad HD format.

 

[Robin Balas]

How about this one? Should be a bit dim for large screens, but perfect for post work
http://www.barco.com/corporate/en/products/product_specs.asp?element=4068
Or one of the others from Barcos series of excellent projectors.

 

[Peter Majtan]

At $85K for the Barco I would prefer the 16:9 SX-R105 from Sony ($66K). But never the less - it is up there - thanks for the link...

 

[Craig Bowman]

... Plus we are still anticipating RED to officially announce their line of 4k displays/projector(s) they mentioned at NAB before. ...

Red has already announced this year they have scrapped plans for 4K displays and will let all the third party monitor companies battle that one out.

 

[Peter Majtan]

I can understand that. But there is still a space for an affordable and compact 4K projector (let's say bellow $10K). Let's hope they don't toss this one outta window...

 

[Craig Ryan]

Red has already announced this year they have scrapped plans for 4K displays and will let all the third party monitor companies battle that one out.

Aye that be true!

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Yeah, what about RED 4K projectors?

Otherwise, what is RED RAY for?

 

[Peter Majtan]

My point exactly...

 

[CosmicUniversal]

Aye that be true!

Not only did they announce it, but I asked Jim at NAB and he said no, that at this time they are not doing it. They were shooting for sub 10k for their 4k monitors (correct me if I'm wrong), but that another company beat them to it and would be just a bit more (whatever that means) than 10k, so they decided not to venture that route. Although, everything is subject to change.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

Here we are in September of 2010 and, AFAIK, the options for 4K display are still extremely limited unless you have $$$,$$$.

If anyone knows of shipping 4K monitors/projectors that are even remotely "affordable" please share. Thanks.

Cheers - #19

 

[Mark L. Pederson]

At $85K for the Barco I would prefer the 16:9 SX-R105 from Sony ($66K). But never the less - it is up there - thanks for the link...

I'd take Barco any day over Sony for post production work.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Samsung is taking OEM orders for their quad-HD LCD panels, they have two sizes, one is 52", I don't recall the other size -- I think 46". LED-backlit 3840x2160, 120Hz capable. Can be ordered with optional polarized masking if someone wants to build displays that use passive 3D glasses instead of shutter glasses. I don't know the pricing...

The 4K panel from TVLogic is using a 4K panel from LG, which they have been selling to OEMs for about a year now. Quad-HD and 4K are coming, but I think the industry got a little sidetracked with 3D over the past 2 years.

 

[Subhadip Sen]

Here's a cheap option for $3500 - Samsung MD230X6 built for ATI Eyefinity. It is six 23" full HD monitors bolted together. Sure, there are bezels, but they are thin enough to offer a workable makeshift solution, and ATI's bezel correction is said to be rather impressive. An ATI Eyefinity6 card is also must. (Or two in Crossfire) Either way, a ~70", 6K (5760x2160) display for $3500 is worth considering. Good news is bezel-less Eyefinity solutions are said to be in development.

PC enthusiasts and gamers are well known to demand high resolution displays, and generally, PC monitors have always been ahead in the resolution department. We have had 2.5K since 2005, since when we seemed to have hit the DVI limit. However, with tech like DisplayPort or Eyefinity, a 4K monitor is surely not too far away.

Another interesting solution could be the 3K CRVDs. The wide aspect ratio seems reminiscent of Cinerama and Super Panavision 70.

 

[M Most]

I'd take Barco any day over Sony for post production work.

I certainly have to agree with you on that. I would probably change the word "Barco" to "DLP", though, as my experience with NEC and Christie projectors has been just as positive.

However, I have been told by some friends at Colorworks that the "new" Sony units are significantly improved in many ways, and are much closer to what's needed than anything they've made in the past. Personally, I'm much more inclined to wait for the 4K DLP units before making any investment in Sony's technology.

 

[Sven Seynaeve]

Thanks for the info. Good to know Barco has a 4k right now.
There actually based 30 minutes from where I live and they have a nice showing theather. Looking forward to see it working.

 

[Stuart English]

4K DLP

4K DLP

I think that you will find the current 4K Barco is LCOS, the DLP version is expected in early 2011. Same for Christie's 4K DLP.

http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2010/09/03/big-boys-to-play-with-4k-and-3d-dlp/

 

[Tom Lowe]

I would love to have a 40" 4K for editing.

Some people might think there is not enough of a market to justify a manufacturer making a 4K 40" LCD. But imagine how many still photographers, for example, would flock to such a device, allowing them to color correct, photoshop, etc, at 4K. That thing would be THE hot ticket for tens of thousands of photographers, not to mention thousands of Red owners, and soon tens of thousands of Red owners. Oh, and what about interest from the PC gaming community?

The first bigtime 4K LCD at a somewhat reasonable price is gonna sell like hotcakes.

 

[M Most]

I think that you will find the current 4K Barco is LCOS, the DLP version is expected in early 2011. Same for Christie's 4K DLP.

Hence my comment about waiting.

In the professional DI world, it's not about "looking good" or being impressive. It's about accuracy to industry specifications (in this case, the SMPTE/DCI specification), consistency, and stability. DLP Cinema projectors are all of the above. Sony SXRD's generally are not, at least to this point, although my Colorworks friends say they're a lot closer than they were.

 

[Frank Glencairn]

Canon had some nice 4k monitors at the expo in NY- don´t know when they hit the shelves thou.

Frank