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last year 18-85 was in the RED store .. probably a few hundred reservations on it (#37 here) .. last i heard it has been delayed ...
 
The RED Zoom 18-85mm was the spec for the original RED zoom, a project shelved in favor of the recently-released 18-50mm zoom. So it's no typo, just a reference that Greg was making to a change-up in accessories, to make his point.

I'm just chiming in to reinforce what Greg said...I too ordered an 18-85mm (along with a 300mm) and, since my number isn't up until #1008 and #1248, figured that I would delay ordering accessories until some of the dust settled on the offerings, since the flux was a little confusing. And it was never made clear to me whether the deposit that I put down immediately on the 18-85mm would be applied to the 18-50mm or refunded. Or? I e-mailed and was e-mailed back that I would be receiving a follow-up e-mail on that issue, but it never arrived. I know that y'all are busy and trust that this shift is already a done deal. But it seemed like reason enough to wait until the dust settled at RED HQ before adding more gear, especially since we were told that we would have a one-month window from the receipt of our camera to put in accessory orders and told that they would all be available prior to the camera's shipping. Why be in a hurry under those conditions?

I can see where you would need pre-orders on lenses, to calculate the demand, but it didn't seem quite as pressing to have pre-orders on things like batteries or rails.

So it seemed to make sense to wait, with the expectation that choices might be added or even altered, but not simply withdrawn outright.

Not complaining here--I really have no complaints, I'm sure by the time my cameras are delivered, I am going to be thrilled beyond measure with both the available accessories and the enabled features--but simply offering feedback on why the pulling of the Premium Production Pack caused such a ruckus.
 
After hearing delay after every delay, I'm glad you're being totally honest with us Jim. I'm pretty sure once the 51-100 guys settle down after throwing their chairs across the room, they'll realize that this delay is for the better because they'll actually have all the accessories available to them that the first 25 hardly had.
 
planet e said:
It was never made clear to me whether the deposit that I put down immediately on the 18-85mm would be applied to the 18-50mm or refunded. Or? I e-mailed and was e-mailed back that I would be receiving a follow-up e-mail on that issue, but it never arrived.
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I'm not sure it was ever made very clear, but I know at one point you had the choice. I still have a reservation for the 18-85mm myself and still holding out for it, however long that takes... it just seems like a great all-around lens when I don't want to be carrying a full set of primes around. That being said, I'm also waiting for the full set of primes. :-) I think if you had a reservation for the 18-85mm and never had it transferred, but are interested in the 18-50mm when your camera number comes up, they should be able to accomodate you... besides the more situation-specific 300mm prime, it's the only lens they have for sale right now and since the price is so competitive my guess is a lot of people will be interested when they are ready to get the camera. The recent delays have also been slated to be due to a hold up on accessories, so my guess is that they realize that people want a lot of the products and they're trying to make as much of this stuff as they can. Hopefully the lenses are a part of that. But I'm still holding out for that good ol' 18-85mm! :-)
 
it's a tough call, because i like the range of the 18-85mm as well, but oh the macro feature on the 18-50mm. macro world in 4K is pretty irresistible.

but the 18-85mm has disappeared from the revised store at red.com, so i don't think we will be seeing it soon. of course, many rabbits have been pulled out of the hat thus far, with many more to come, undoubtedly.....
 
Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.
 
Christian Berg said:
Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.
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Yes, if you can at all, please let us know Jim. I don't want to get the 18-50 & the 50-150, I'd rather get the 18-85 and something like a Cooke 25-250, but I've gotten decide at some point what's going to be released.

Thanks,

Matthew
 
Delay, Delay, Delay. Duh!

Delay, Delay, Delay. Duh!

I'm amazed that 1 thru 25 have already been delivered even though it's almost six months past the original delivery schedule. Given the "shake the industry to the core" nature of this ground up new product we all need to take a chill pill and give Jim the time he needs to do it right. I'm going to modify an old saying here: DON'T TELL A GIFT HORSE TO HURRY UP!
 
i'm not hearing anyone on this thread telling RED to hurry up...we're mostly requesting a few clarifications. the "hurry up" tone has mellowed considerably now that the first 25 actually have shipped...this delay announcement is so short that it's barely a delay at all....
 
Christian Berg said:
Jim, can you give us a date for when the 18-85mm lens will be availble? Or just a hint of when, before 2008 or a year or never. I would really like to by that lens but if it will take too long i have to go with the 18-50mm. Please, just a hint.
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The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim
 
Jannard said:
The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)
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Thanks for the update. Are you all still thinking around $8,000-$10,000 for it? If so, the 18-50 I am now buying may be sold:)

Matthew
 
Jannard said:
The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim
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An 18-85mm f2.8 now seems so redundant. If it was a 14-85mm or a T2 that'd be a different story though.
 
Shawn Nelson said:
An 18-85mm f2.8 now seems so redundant. If it was a 14-85mm or a T2 that'd be a different story though.
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Hi Shawn,

I disagree, I think the 18-85mm is the most important lens in the range.

Stephen
 
Talking of lenses; I have ordered the set of primes and I wondered if they will be available at the end of this year as originally planned? I have been told that my camera should likely ship Jan/Feb 2008. If the primes are a long way off, would it be better for me to go with the 18-50mm zoom? I would rather have the zoom if there is the chance that the primes wouldn't be available till late 2008.
 
David Cubbage said:
Talking of lenses; I have ordered the set of primes and I wondered if they will be available at the end of this year as originally planned? I have been told that my camera should likely ship Jan/Feb 2008. If the primes are a long way off, would it be better for me to go with the 18-50mm zoom? I would rather have the zoom if there is the chance that the primes wouldn't be available till late 2008.
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Primes are on a delay... now Spring 2008. But they will be good.

Jim
 
Thank you for the update Jim.

Ooooh! I am so looking forward to shooting with Red primes but I may still order the zoom, as well as the primes, because I would hate to get my camera and no lens. Could I make up my mind on the zoom when I am notified of my shipping date or would it be better to place the order well in advance?
 
Hi Jim,

I don't know of any similar specification stills lenses so they must be custom designed, sounds very interesting to me.

Stephen
 
Thanks for the schedule update. That was about when I was expecting it anyway.

Is that date pretty solid? If so, I'll book my flight to come pick it up. Also, I'm in the last throws of putting together my financing and haven't been able to reserve anything beyond my RED and Lens. Am I going to be able to get all my accessories (Battery, LCD, EVF, Base Package, etc.) at the time of pickup if I don't have the cash to reserve anything until a few days before the 28th?

Thanks,
Jeremy - Red #63
 
Jeremyn

Jim stated in the past that anything pre-Redservation holders need at the time of picking up their gear, will be available at time of purchase, unless things have changed. So, no need to reserve now.
 
Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the info!

Jannard said:
The 18-85mm is still in development and is now due in Summer 2008. Sorry for the lack of info. "All specs and dates subject to change." :-)

Jim
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Thanks Jim! I saw the "Made in UK" on one lens at IBC, what company makes them? Guess they are getting busy now...

Just want to thank you for the great camera. Just saw Crossing for the first time yesterday and was blown away. THANKS! Looking forward to nr 440.
 
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