Delay news... sort of.

[goldyprog]

I have never been so excited for a camera. Though the Nikon D2Xs is pretty sweet, too

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Portland?
I thought that was in Maine. Oh well must be in some other part of the state.

Haha, are you kidding me? Oregon has some of the worst weather in the nation, in my opinion. I say that not because it has HARSH weather, overall Oregon has moderate weather, never very hot, never very cold, doesn't snow much (except up at the mountains), etc. But Oregonians have the LOWEST level of Vitamin D in the nation because we hardly get any sunlight. That's especially true in Portland, where it's cloudy almost constantly. Other parts of Oregon are nicer, like Eastern Oregon obviously, I see you're from Ashland, but in Portland the weather is intolerable. I lived there for my entire life, finally got out, and I'm much happier that when I wake up every day I see sun!

 

[chuck colburn]

ahhh....
Guess I'm busted.
Yeah I was kidding.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

That's the first time I've ever heard the words "eastern oregon" and "nicer" put into the same sentence.

 

[Learvis Templeton jr.]

Had to get a post in on this thread to cover my once a month posting!

 

[Joe Aurili]

I happen to be there right now and it is not raining, though it looks like it might any time

Portland, Oregon. It rains all of the time.

 

[chuck colburn]

I happen to be there right now and it is not raining, though it looks like it might any time

Yeah, consider yourself lucky you could be living in Denial (sp?). Or better yet the loverly little town of Drain. Speaking of Drain... there's a defunct cinema there that I think would make a wonderfull 4K screening facility for the mid Northwest area.
Looking for investors for this as we speak. lol

 

[Joe Aurili]

Tomorrow it's back to Phoenix and almost double the temperature. Not much of a treat either.

Yeah, consider yourself lucky you could be living in Denial (sp?). Or better yet the loverly little town of Drain. Speaking of Drain... there's a defunct cinema there that I think would make a wonderfull 4K screening facility for the mid Northwest area.
Looking for investors for this as we speak. lol

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

That's the first time I've ever heard the words "eastern oregon" and "nicer" put into the same sentence.

You are kidding, too, aren't you? There are only a few places in the U.S. growing faster than Eastern Oregon, one of them is LAS VEGAS. Eastern Oregon is incredibly nice, the weather there is much better than in Portland, and a lot of people who live in the Portland area end up eventually moving to Eastern Oregon.

 

[chuck colburn]

Eastern Oregon is pretty amazing. Everything from standing on top of the Steens at 10,000 ft. and looking towards the east at dry alkili beds and turning 180 degrees to view one of the most verdent canyons I've ever seen.
And miles upon miles of miniature Grand Canyons etc. etc. Not to mention Hells Canyon which is actually deeper then the Grand Canyon. Oregon is an amazing place. You probally wouldn't like it though so don't bother thinking about moving here.

 

[Steven M. Bailey]

Yeah, consider yourself lucky you could be living in Denial (sp?). Or better yet the loverly little town of Drain. Speaking of Drain... there's a defunct cinema there that I think would make a wonderfull 4K screening facility for the mid Northwest area.
Looking for investors for this as we speak. lol

A "Down the Drain" 4K film festival would be awesome. Its only four hours north of me. I'll see you there.:biggrin:

The only reason to live in Oregon is the fishing, sand dunes, petting Zoo's, safari's, and the jet-boat cruises on the rogue river. Skiing at Ashland and Bachelor and the Shakespearian festivals! and now the possibility of 4k theater. The place is practically uninhabitable imho.:whistling:

and to top it off no sales tax.

It's not nice to talk about rain when its so dang hot here in california.

 

[chuck colburn]

"Down the Drain" hahahahahahah
Getting a bit warm down there in Redding aye?
If I drive up to Mt. A and stand on my tippy toes I can almost see that far if it weren't for that darn Mt. Shasta being in the way.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Ok I just skipped 10 pages so I hope I didn't miss something important but let me put forth a question to everyone who is dissapointed about the diminished lead time of the first few reservation holders.

But there's just one thing to consider here... We don't know if there is a diminished lead time for the first reservation holders. We don't know anything until Jim posts a schedule. Everyone is getting all worked up over speculation. The only thing we do know is that RED is or will be beta testing some new prototypes on some major productions.

If we're going to speculate or just take wild-ass guesses at what we think is going to happen, then here's my guess. RED will ship the first 1110 cameras in the first two months of production. ...Production will hit a snag right after my #1110 rolls off the line and everyone after me will have to wait for another 6 months. :bleh:

Gavin, you didn't miss a thing by skipping pages of this thread.

 

[Steven M. Bailey]

"Down the Drain" hahahahahahah
Getting a bit warm down there in Redding aye?
If I drive up to Mt. A and stand on my tippy toes I can almost see that far if it weren't for that darn Mt. Shasta being in the way.

I may climb Mt. Lassen tomorrow with my dad and my kids for fathers day. I'll take my binoculars and look for you up there on your tippy toes.

I was reading this thread earlier today when I looked out the window. The mountain to my south, between my house and Redding proper, was on fire. I wish I had my red.

I received my hv20 in the mail today and it was still in the box. I frantically pulled it out of the box, put in a tape, battery and shot 8-10 firetrol bombing runs and helicopter drops. It was kind of cool except that I think that the Zoom feels backwards somehow.

Five bombers and two helicopters made short work of it.

 

[Poi Boy]

Did you get a chance to put into 24p mode ?
-A

 

[Steven M. Bailey]

unfortunately not. They were bombing fast and from all directions. I didn't even get a chance to look at the manual. I'm gonna set it to manual in 24p tonight and play with it. I was just glad I bought a tape the other day in anticipation.

 

[Casey Green]

Hi Jim - and all reservation holders.

(Even though there only seems to be a small % of customers complaining, I thought it would be important to weigh in on this from another perspective - a non-reservation holders POV).

I just wanted to say that (as disappointing as it might feel for early res holders), I believe RED is doing the right thing re: beta testing. I also believe that it may SEEM unfair since it is new information, but really is no different than them testing in house before they are released to customers. After all, as far as I know, these are most likely Jim's own units and they will not be sold to anyone, merely taken on location with field techs, used on production, and then returned to RED for more testing.

If I'm not mistaken, Jim said there were new boards spun that were recently finished... it seems that these new Rev. boards (plus any of the other changes we are unaware of) should be put through all of the grueling conditions of some real-world productions similar to "Crossing the Line", before they are mass produced. What if other hardware issues are discovered in the field? These types of problems are NOT what end-users should be dealing with. It would be terrible for people (as well as RED) to have to send their units back into RED for replacement parts, troubleshooting, etc.

Releasing units that are hardware complete and fully tested, but have incomplete SOFTWARE, is another story, and I believe that most early res holders would be ok with taking delivery of such units. I just don't think they are quite that far yet.

I have worked for major Video Technology companies and I can't stress enough how VITAL it was for us to do real-world testing of our hardware before sending out even the early beta units. However this testing is done does not matter, as long as it reflects real-world production conditions. For a professional cinema camera, there seems no better place than on various professional film sets/locations to test it. If it can survive those conditions, and workflows, then it is ready for the real world.

Again, I understand the sense of a small percent of people with reservations that were hoping to be a part of that hardware beta testing phase, but I do not think that was ever stated by RED. From what I read, the shipping cameras were to be hardware complete, but lacking in some software features in the first 100 or so. Remember also that a production line will be in place at some point to mass produce these. So the beta units will need to be extremely reliable before the production run is given the green light. Then it will most likely slowly ramp up from there like a finely oiled machine, eventually hitting full steam with hundreds of units shipping in a given timeframe.

And last but certainly not least, please keep in mind your unique position here. I have been following RED for a couple of years now, and as some of you know, have done alot on my own to help promote the Camera in various industry circles and productions I have had the priviledge of working on. But because of my financial obligations, I did/do not have the opportunity to put in for a reservation... so for now, I must live vicariously though others, such as yourselves, until I can one day find a way to own one (and hopefully more) of these amazing cameras. Please do not take for granted your fortunate positions!

*This post is not intended as a personal response to anyone in particular on this forum and is only meant to help paint a bigger picture of how this project is being perceived by all walks of life. Please don't mistake my good intentions. Thanks so much. (Oh, and Jim... hope to see you at CineGear!)

 

[Poi Boy]

yeah you did the right thing steven, you wouldn't have gotten the shot. It took me a stupidly long time to find the 24p setting.
Aloha
-A

 

[Jonathan L. Bowen]

Oregon is a beautiful place, no doubt about that, but I can't appreciate the beauty nearly as much when it rains constantly in Portland. I found it just depressing to be stuck there, I can't deal with waking up for weeks and weeks on end and seeing nothing but grey skies, clouds, rain, and feeling cold. It just beats down on you after a while. But I will say one thing, the people up there are really crazy, they are like the 5% of the population that somehow is defective with regards to understanding what "good weather" and "bad weather" mean. There's a reason when it's sunny and nice people say, "What good weather!" because that's the definition of good weather. When it rains people say, "Wow what crappy weather." But people in Oregon are like zombies, they are all, "The rain is so wonderful, I love the rain, it's so great, hearing it beat down on the roof *dreamy look in eyes* The rain is fantastic." Umm, yeah, it's great, it's wonderful walking down the street getting soaked or having to take your umbrella everywhere or having people drive poorly and slow or not being able to go out and enjoy nature because it's so miserable outside. Yup, rain rocks! *rolls eyes* They deserve the rain up there, most of them actually like it. As long as it keeps raining on them so that I can mooch off their water supply down here in L.A. it's all good. I've lived in L.A. for three months now and haven't been rained on a single time. I can only remember once that it has rained in the last three months, when I was looking outside that is, and it was over in about two hours and done for the day.

I wish that most people loved the rain like Oregonians, then they'd all move up to Oregon and L.A. would be much less crowded. Unfortunately, back here in REALITY, people don't love the rain, they hate it, and that's why most of the population lives in places with nice weather like L.A., San Diego, Las Vegas, Phoenix AZ, Texas, etc.

I find there's usually this specific personality trait that makes someone like rain. It's generally a person who is unhappy and wants the world around them to reflect their mood, so they listen to depressing music and they like it to rain, that way they feel like everything else around them is just as miserable with life as they are. My sister was like that for a while, constantly depressed and enjoyed horrible weather. But I'm just the opposite. MY personality type is if I'm depressed, I want to listen to UPBEAT music and see SUNSHINE so that it makes me happy again! That's much better. When you're going to school and you don't do as well as you hoped on that test, but you walk outside and it's 80 degrees, sunny, light breeze, you just shrug it off like, "Eh, oh well, it's too beautiful to be worried about that anymore." Versus walking outside when it's raining and you basically want to go home and slash your wrists, haha.

My dad is a life-long Oregonian, but he has a house in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, and even before that he went there constantly, so he manages to get out of that rainhole-of-the-world frequently enough to avoid insanity.

 

[Poi Boy]

I'm not quite sure what to say about your rain issues..Hmmm. oh I know, I'll use the one my kids use; "whatever"
Aloha
-A