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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Dec. 3rd responses here...

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Simon Smith said:
I'm sorry. I don't want you may misunderstand my words. Here everyone salute you on a route which I wouldn't consider as healthy. Their problem, not mine though. Never the less, outside, the tone I'm used to pay attention is not the same. The real world is not web.
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What are you talking about?
 
Stop it Green. These personal attacks are ridiculous.

Simon Smith said:
I'm sorry. I don't want you may misunderstand my words. Here everyone salute you on a route which I wouldn't consider as healthy. Their problem, not mine though. Never the less, outside, the tone I'm used to pay attention is not the same. The real world is not web.
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It's true. Outside is different. Despite you can find the same mood online. At home. Go to DVXuser and check it.
 
Let’s not forget that the Canon 5d MII does not shot a true full frame. Its line skipping across the entire frame. Yes it's using the pulling information across the full frame but not using (or processing) the full resolution available.
Which in turn causes all sorts of issues and artifacts.
Let’s not even talk about the way you have to trick the camera (the Canon) into getting the shutter, aperture, and ISO. You don't even get to see what they are.
That is probably the biggest thing that irritates me about the Canon.
I'm so tired of having to pay extra for the manual control.
This I feel is where the Scarlet 2/3 will excel. Now I'm looking at this from a "Motion" view point. (Which is why I would even think about buying the Canon) The Scarlet 2/3 fixed is really close in price to the Canon 5d MII with a kit lens. (I can't wait to see what the modules cost for the interchangeable Scarlet 2/3) For the flexibility of the Scarlet there is no comparison to the Canon and many other HD video cameras out there.

Ok I've rambled. :)

Question for you Jim, will there be on board audio for the fixed 2/3 Scarlet? And will the I/O module have audio? Thanks dude!
 
A big accomplishment with today's announcement is the ability to capture 150 frames at 4k. In the film world that is huge. That eliminates the need for an Arri 435 in the package. The frame rate numbers challenge the Phantom. Very impressive. By the end of 2009 I will only need one camera in a package to do a typical film, not the norm. I am excited every day by the advances I see from Red. I love the look of the new camera's and all the possibilities that lay ahead. I can tell you the discussion on many film sets around the world include the products being made and announced by Red. Thanks you Red team! My only complaint is that the camera is not more expensive....
 
Maybe people are giving Jim a hard time because they want to see how much they can get out of him. Comments like Simon's make this place in to a barn. People who are actually trying to be constructive have to sift through a bunch of bullshit to find any substance in these kinds of threads lately.
 
Gordon Prince said:
Stop it Green. These personal attacks are ridiculous.

It's true. Outside is different. Despite you can find the same mood online. At home. Go to DVXuser and check it.
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Thanks for your support. I will not answer to any personal attack. It's useless.

They worth what they worth. My stuff comes from my work. My cameras are safe when I pay for them. My real world doesn't belong to a computer terminal.
 
Jannard said:
A disappointment? Are you kidding? What camera prices come close? What other cameras actually can do what we are offering? I really can't believe you posted this. How about we measure cost by the pound? That makes about as much sense as "price by sensor size". Unbelievable...

Jim
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Jim, why do you do that to yourself and give credence to it?

Would you really listen to a guy who works at McDonald's flipping burgers complain that a Porsche is too expensive?

He's not basing his comment on the value of the product, he's basing it on how much he earns and what he can't afford.
 
Jason Ing said:
Would you really listen to a guy who works at McDonald's flipping burgers complain that a Porsche is too expensive?

He's not basing it on the value of the product, he's basing it on how much he earns what he can't afford.
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I said, I wouldn't reply to personal attacks. I open an exception though. You have no idea about who you're talking about. It's hilarious. :) :)
 
Simon Smith said:
I'm sorry. I don't want you may misunderstand my words. Here everyone salute you on a route which I wouldn't consider as healthy. Their problem, not mine though. Never the less, outside, the tone I'm used to pay attention is not the same. The real world is not web.
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We aren't talking about anyone else here. I ask you for a rational explanation of how you could possibly be disappointed in the pricing. It makes no sense to me. A Sony F23 (2/3" sensor camera) sells for $175K. Their F35 (S35 sensor) sells for $300K. I don't know of any other S35 size sensor camera that does real motion for less... except RED. A still camera doesn't qualify as a real motion camera (yet) because the only way to get any kind of motion is to skip rows... which is not a valid motion option.

Making this a post about people that understand and support what we are doing does not answer the question. The only reason I am pushing you on this issue is that too many people have worked too hard to revolutionize the price/performance ratio that you seem to have missed. I don't mean to be disrespectful to you. I am just very frustrated at the concept that price per sensor size has even come up. Why do you think Canon hasn't released their full frame sensor with real motion? The answer is that their sensor clock speed is too slow. And to make a fast clock speed sensor is a HUGE effort that costs a ton of money. Not only in development, but in actual fab costs.

Jim
 
A big accomplishment with today's announcement is the ability to capture 150 frames at 4k. In the film world that is huge. That eliminates the need for an Arri 435 in the package. The frame rate numbers challenge the Phantom. Very impressive. By the end of 2009 I will only need one camera in a package to do a typical film, not the norm. I am excited every day by the advances I see from Red. I love the look of the new camera's and all the possibilities that lay ahead. I can tell you the discussion on many film sets around the world include the products being made and announced by Red. Thanks you Red team! My only complaint is that the camera is not more expensive....
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...spoken by a true filmmaker.
 
Jannard said:
Sorry... I'm taking some time off. (shakes his head...)

Jim
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HAHAHA!! You know you are thinking of doing it man!!!! Just do it! Do it!


JARED
You would have to align all sensors from their centers through all the cases which will cost us, and pay about 200,000 more in OT before this second release Jim... should we do it?"

JIM
What the heck... throw it in... for the guys.​

He walks off [ramp up to 28fps] white [back-lit] smoke from a Cohiba Behike cigar rolls over his shoulders. [turnaround, CU] He stops, his face partly hiding under shadows. His covered eye glows... red.
 
I can't see how anyone can complain at all.

The Scarlet FF35 will be amazing and can NOT compare to the 5D.

If you also want fast framerates get the 2/3!

I will get both.
 
Simon Smith said:
You didn't catch my edit. I think they are not interested to go on your route. The fact is the full frame technology is available for under 3000. This is what matters.
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The key word is "technology" here. And you are using it way too broadly without being speicifc as to what a "full frame" unit for 3K can do. If you are going make a critical argument back it up with some detail.

The technology in the camera is NOT just the sensor. It is the sensor AND the electronics processing package. Lets talk about one and then the other. Sensor first. You could probably fabricate some sort of full frame sensor for $100 BUT would it have the DNR, response times, and resolution of something like Mysterium or even the Canon 5D sensor for instance? A sensor like that costs more not just because of the design but because it needs much higher end fabrication processes (as an example did you know that many times when Intel comes out with a new high end processor they also have to build a whole new Factory to handle the quality level required).

Second the electronics package. To provide high frame rates, high sampling, and wide bandwidth (resolution) you cannot just have any old postage stamp computer. It has to be a real time processing engine that won't choke and miss even one bit. Running on that you need incredible custom firmware (the software). I'm not an expert on image processing but you can bet it is no small task to create high end firmware that will get the best quality from what the sensor is reading. There are probably under a thousand people in the world that can do the top end stuff. (That is no joke. We are talking a rare kind expertise here).

I guess what i am saying is show some appreciation and understanding to what goes into the cost of this equipment. Secondly, wake up to the fact that this is Artisan level work. It takes design and drive way beyond general engineering knowledge and standard factory methods. This is the cutting edge of what is possible on a commercial scale. Even if you got a degree in Electrical Engineering and Imaging that would not mean you would instantly have the skill and experience that the people on the RED team must have to pull this off.

If you are going to attack RED on price it seems not only unappreciative to me, but unaware, as to the reality of what it takes in time, engineering, and manufacturing cost to create technology like this.
 
Jim, I think some of these posts may be coming from the 'competition' if you can call them that. It's insane to even mention being disappointed in pricing. These people either don't understand the industry or they've joined the dark side. Close your ears to this Jim it's a cheap Rebel mind trick!:ohmy:
 
Simon Smith said:
You have no idea about who you're talking about. It's hilarious. :) :)
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I don't normally butt in, but who the hell are you? Your so arrogant and conceded about yourself that its funny too you. Sorry buddy but if no one here knows who you are, that makes you a nobody. :bleh:

By the way your grammar is the worst I've seen on many a forum. congratulations, i guess you've become a somebody in that aspect.
 
.... 'Your so arrogant' er sorry to point this out but that should be 'You're' ahem.
 
Really no reason to get personal here... if I had something to do with it, I apologize. I have issues with what is being said, not the person. I guess my frustration is the lack of understanding about what a miracle it is to make a high-speed sensor with these specs. A slow speed sensor is easy and inexpensive (relatively).

Simon has a point of view that I take exception with. I do not have an exception with Simon. Let's keep the discussion about the issues, facts and opinions... not the people behind the opinions.

Jim
 
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