Dear Jim

[Ralph Wong]

Let me add an idea...

I will buy an Epic FF35 in the box untouched for what it worth exactly if I buy it from RED... so a REDONE owner can trade his REDONE with RED and buy with his rebate a typical configuration, sell it to me and get a scarlet minus 12%...

So he will get from me the 17.5K$ and he will buy a Scarlet FF35 for less...

How about that?

Don't panic, there are many ways to take your money back...

Actually, I believe they say you can do one or the other, not both. You can apply the RED 1 towards the purchase of an Epic or you can take the 12% off of a Scarlet. If there are a ton of people who want to buy the Epic, it would put my mind at ease. I just think most people will opt for the Scarlet instead.

 

[Thom Steinhoff]

Scarlet will NOT have all the capabilities of a RED ONE. It can't given the size constraints of the boards in the "brain". If you want flexibility and choices... upgrade your RED ONE or upgrade to an EPIC.

Jim

Thanks, Jim.

After this, for me, as a Previously panic'd Red One owner--it is "Sensor Upgrade or Epic or Die trying"

I was going under the assumption that the Max Frame rate of the Scarlet S35 at 5K was 30fps (similar to the Red One's max limit), but went under the assumption that it's internals were like the Red one--only better so that "of course it would have 60fps at 3K, 120 fps @ 2K, etc., etc." , Ramping, etc.

If that is not the case and, say for argument's sake it is limited to 5K 1-30fps, 1080p 1-30fps, and that's it--then I'll say "you'll have to wrestle my Red One out of my cold dead hands" before I'd trade it for a Scarlett.

Long live the Red One and Let's get that Sensor Upgrade going! Nothing will Make Red One owners happy and feeling special like being the first to be able to upgrade their sensors.

 

[Luis de la Cerda]

I think RED is shooting itself in the foot by trying to be accountable for matters that shouldn't be their problem. RED's responsibility to their customers should be replacement parts and service, period. Why should they be responsible to offer an upgrade path? The deal was a great camera for 17.5K and that's exactly what customers got. As long as RED supports that camera with parts and service so you can go on using it, you have nothing to complain about. The problem is customers think they purchased a ticket to always shoot with the latest and greatest gear and that was not part of the deal. While it may be true that the camera they purchased was the greatest at the time they purchased it, it will not stay that way forever. The way I saw it, RED ONE rendered obsolescence obsolete because the camera is so good, chances are you will not NEED anything else for a very long time. You might WANT, but you don't NEED. Let's face it, with HD still being slowly adopted, it'll be a long time before you need anything beyond a 4K camera for anything but the weirdest projects. If you think about it, a 6K camera is only going to slow you down at this point, since you'll be dealing with much more data and not really seeing much of a difference in the final delivery.

The problem is that sony, canon, etc... have gotten us so used to upgrading every time something new shows up, that most RED customers are trying to follow the same path. I'm still using my Canon 20D on a regular basis for goodness sakes!

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

Great avatar, cholo.

 

[Luis de la Cerda]

It's not really my avatar, I just borrowed it from another forum. It looks awesome when the board's background is white

 

[Radoslav Karapetkov]

It's... buggy ... but in a good way.

 

[Brice Ansel]

Well, I'm certainly pleased that (for the most part) the thread has stayed positive and reasonable. So that's nice. I kind of get the feeling some people are replying to the thread without actually reading my original post, though, because they seem to think I'm asking for a free ride. I'm not, and I never was.

As for the rental market, I just have to hope I can get some more projects in before RED gets the second generation of cameras out the door. I really don't see how I could afford an Epic, and evidently I'm the only owner/operator in the world who is nowhere near breakeven on my equipment rentals. I guess I'm crappy at marketing, or something, because everyone else seems to be making a killing. Most of the calls that I get are from indies looking to borrow a camera, not rent one. (with a few exceptions, of course, who are my best friends in the entire world.)

JT Coleman
Austin, Texas
Red #396
RedAustin.com

Jt, I wish you all the best, and as an early believer "396" I think you really deserve it.
I'm just glad I'm not trap in a business plan like a lot of indies here. Just have to enjoy the amazing footages I can get out from the R1 and smile.
Best regards
Brice