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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

DaVinci for Mac, game changer or game over?

shashbugu said:
Well lets be honest. Scratch is by far the sexiest and most straight forward finnishing tool in the biz. It is plenty powerful extremely scalable and very supportive of its cutomer base. It can edit, midly, composite, color grade, and finnish. its user interface is very very visual, the parameters are neatly displayed and the timeline is Angelic. What more can you ask for. Its the perfect tool for the Reduser. Its constantly being upgraded with lots of snazzy features standard with the industry. Is it expensive? Depends on how desperate you are for an out the box perfectly working system.
Will I buy it? I probably would buy it instead of a complicated Baselight or Lustre system.
So the question is a $995 Davinci vs a $995 Scratch. I will buy the scratch in a heart beat. The Davinci that rates with a scratch is $50,000 and it does not even do what the Scratch can do.
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I'm still trying to figure out if you're being sarcastic or not... but in case you're not:

Personally I like the UI for Scratch a lot - it was key in my decision to choose Scratch. I personally preferred it over the most obvious competition in terms of price range (Speedgrade). Anything beyond Scratch was never an option for me price-wise. So if you want to call it 'sexy', I see where you're coming from ;-)

Editing? Actually I think Scratch's timeline can hardly be used for editing. Just for a fix, sure. But it's fairly minimalistic - and could use some 'love'. On the other hand, I don't need Scratch to edit so I'd rather the dev team spent their time on other things.

But for grading I like it a lot, and the development work being done in the direction of compositing suits my way of working very well.

Would I buy again today? I'd probably take a more serious look at DaVinci or Baselight, with their new pricing strategies. But I don't regret the choice I made - it's a really powerful system.

How will Assimilate respond to the price developments of the last weeks? I don't know. But one way or the other they will have to stay sharp. Which is good for everyone, isn't it?
 
Andrae Palmer said:
What do you guys mean by a multitrack timeline? In the manual I'm seeing multiple tracks in the timeline. I know jake has used the term... "multiple layered timeline". There is a Layer Mixer Node.
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On the FilmMaster (I think Baselight as well) you can import AAF project and open it with all layers pretty much intact and all, just the way it was done in Avid. Them you can grade every layer independently. You also can create unlimited number of layers with transfer modes, just like in Photoshop. The multilayered timeline is very much akin to multilayered structure in AE, Smoke etc. Very powerful...
Unfortunately, ability to bring externally generated mask is pretty standard feature on pretty much any color grading system, as is to do a dissolve. DaVinci can call it anything they want, but, unfortunately, that is not multilayering. It's still just one layer.
 
Lucas Wilson said:
Vaporware? Huh?

What am I missing?

Lucas
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If you weren't implying it's vaporware, or at the very least, overpromising, with your comments then I have some fictitious real estate for sale in some ridiculous area.

And a public listserv is a fine place to discuss features, glad you at least changed your mind about that!
 
shashbugu said:
The Davinci that rates with a scratch is $50,000 and it does not even do what the Scratch can do.
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Like what?
shashbugu said:
If they go software only they can sell Scratch for $5,000. Just having half of the Red, Arri, Aaton, and other evolving camera owners, including a vast list of editors, colorists etc buying licences they will do very well
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I may be mistaken, but can't you buy Scratch software only right now? I believe, that Resolve will be sold very much the same way as is Scratch. All BM will sell you is the software and, if desired, the panel. The rest is between you and the reseller, including support.
 
And actually the 50k Davinci comes with a control surface... So there's no argument that the pricing even for the 50k version is very attractive.
 
lionel2p said:
If you think Cine-tal or BVM, yes it cost a lot. Pansonic Pro 12 with Davio is 5K and very efficient.
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Save your money on Davio. Resolve includes full Cinespace support. Just provide your monitor profile (just find someone with Cinespace to profile it for you) and the target profile and Resolve will build your own custom 3D monitor LUT. Resolve is world class! It's like getting Truelight thrown in for free...
Scratch? No dice...
It seems, that I keep harping at shortcomings of Scratch, but people keep comparing $70k Scratch to $1k software only Resolve or even $50k Resolve with one of the best panels out here (it was $70k only last year) and I'm just pointing out, that Resolve isn't such bad choice:-)
 
This thread is starting to read like kids comparing race-cars using the specs from a magazine...

SORRY :(
 
Frank Cueto said:
This thread is starting to read like kids comparing race-cars using the specs from a magazine...

SORRY :(
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And what do you drive? I see, it's Baselight. If you don't care about the specs, how come you aren't just using Color? it does the same thing, right?:-)
 
Barend Onneweer said:
Isn't that exactly his point? They all do pretty much the same on paper...
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My point was entirely facetious.
But from your response, it seems, that you also missed the whole point of this discussion...
Users need to make an informative decision on their tools of the trade and that is why we have forums for discussions, where information can be found.
 
jake blackstone said:
Scratch? No dice...
It seems, that I keep harping at shortcomings of Scratch, but people keep comparing $70k Scratch to $1k software only Resolve or even $50k Resolve with one of the best panels out here (it was $70k only last year) and I'm just pointing out, that Resolve isn't such bad choice:-)
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It seems... that you keep harping at imaginary shortcomings that you're making up.

Scratch can load two display Luts, one for the GUI display and one for the video out.

So if you want to make this a discussion on paper specs - you might as well read up on them...
 
jake blackstone said:
Like what?

I may be mistaken, but can't you buy Scratch software only right now? I believe, that Resolve will be sold very much the same way as is Scratch. All BM will sell you is the software and, if desired, the panel. The rest is between you and the reseller, including support.
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uhmm I'm confused
 
jake blackstone said:
And what do you drive? I see, it's Baselight. If you don't care about the specs, how come you aren't just using Color? it does the same thing, right?:-)
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We didn't check out specs when we bought Baselight. We just tried out the systems and picked out the one we liked the most, THEN we went about the process of acquiring. Took us better part of a Year to buy into it. are there cheaper solutions? OF COURSE. we paid a GODLY amount for it, but it has been good to us.

I suggest driving the systems first. THen choose which one you like and fits best with your clientele and then making a financial plan around that decision. Maybe it could be a loss leader for you if it gets u a ton of volume in other departments?

Also, as a small-medium facility its nice to not hear my clients mention to me how their kids have the pirated version at home :-) Believe it or not thats a HUGE PLUS in my market. I feel sorry for the facilities that have to work harder all the time to justify their rates and then they hear a comment like that one from their client. Yes its about the talent, but it doesn't help ONE BIT...

The same way you can buy it for 1K, someone else will download it for 0K.

Heard about something similar happening with scratch and smoke/flame. Its nice to not hear my client say that their kids got baselight back home.
 
Barend Onneweer said:
It seems... that you keep harping at imaginary shortcomings that you're making up.

Scratch can load two display Luts, one for the GUI display and one for the video out.

So if you want to make this a discussion on paper specs - you might as well read up on them...
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Barend, did you even read my whole post on the subject? I specifically said, that Resolve can BUILD monitor LUT for the profiled monitor, just like Cinespace. Did you read that? Where and how can Scratch do that? Yes, it can LOAD prebuilt LUT, but can't BUILD it. A huge and critical difference. But what do you care? It doesn't matter, right? It's just some specs on paper...
 
I wonder what the guys on TIG are saying about this...
 
Frank,

Kids will get a pirated copy of Resolve... but it will take a very wise and rich kid to run the Linux system with impresario panel. Plus the same problems will be faced when people start saying their Linux Davinci systems can do the same job your baselight does.
 
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