Creating looks in RedCine-X that aren't tied to ISO

[Matt Mulcahey]

I need to accomplish what I thought would be a relatively easy task - create a look in RedCine-X that will drag down the blacks a bit for on-set monitoring. But I can't seem to figure out how to accomplish it. The show is going to shoot Epic Dragon and the DP has asked me to create looks in RedCine-X that could be applied in-camera via RMD files. But whenever I create the desired look in RedCine-X - whether it's with Curves, Lift/Gammga/Gain, or exposure/shadows in the Look/Image pulldown menu - the look attaches all metadata, including ISO.

I have test footage shot at both ISO 800 and ISO 2400 that I'm using to make the looks. So if I use the ISO 800 clip to create my crushed blacks look, when I apply that look to the ISO 2400 clip in RedCine-X, it changes that clip's ISO to 800 and obviously the exposure is then way off.

As a back-up I've already made some cube LUTs that I can add downstream from camera, but I'd love to figure out how to get what I want out of RedCine. Anybody have any advice?

Thanks,
Matt

 

[Michael Tiemann]

Yes--there is a trick. In the Look tab there's an Edit button (below Apply To: and above Look Manager). It has a drop-down triangle. Open the Edit window and you'll see a bunch of look properties. Uncheck ISO. You can now apply the look without affecting ISO.

 

[Matt Mulcahey]

You're a life saver. Thanks Michael.

 

[Matt Mulcahey]

Still having an issue. As Michael suggested, in Look Presets I right-clicked each of my looks, chose Look Setup, and then unselected the parameters I didn't want to apply to the look - specifically ISO, FLUT, and Kelvin temp. And it works...in RedCine-X.

However, when I export the looks to RMD files (which I'm also doing in the Look Present pulldown by right clicking on the look and choosing Export Selected) and then load those RMDs onto our Epic Dragon, the looks are still changing the Kelvin and ISO when applied.

 

[Michael Tiemann]

Still having an issue. As Michael suggested, in Look Presets I right-clicked each of my looks, chose Look Setup, and then unselected the parameters I didn't want to apply to the look - specifically ISO, FLUT, and Kelvin temp. And it works...in RedCine-X.

However, when I export the looks to RMD files (which I'm also doing in the Look Present pulldown by right clicking on the look and choosing Export Selected) and then load those RMDs onto our Epic Dragon, the looks are still changing the Kelvin and ISO when applied.

First of all, export selected doesn't do anything for your clips. It just saves presets, which only RCX cares about.

Second of all, RCX has a schizophrenic way of interfacing with RMD. I have reported this as a bug to RED, and they have been thinking about it...for a year. Nevertheless, there are two ways to write metadata down to clips. One will do what you expect, the other will not. If you apply a look to a clip in the Timeline, everything will look right, and nothing will make it to the disk. If you apply a look to a clip in the bin, then from the bin, right-click the clip and select "Save RMD", you can write the look you are looking at to the disk. It won't change the ISO. Why on earth RCX allows there to be two different sources for an RMD interpretation at a single moment in time within the same application is absolutely beyond me. I can understand why they don't instantly write the transient RMD information to the disk, waiting for you to command such. But why there are two totally different transient RMD slots, I don't know. (And nobody at RED could explain it to me.)

M

 

[Matt Mulcahey]

I'm confused. When I do "export selected," I can save an RMD file, which I'm then putting on a Red 1.8" mag. When I load that onto the Epic Dragon, the adjustments I've made for lift/gamma/gain are visible on the on-board monitor. Yet selecting that look in camera is changing the ISO and Kelvin - even though I deselected those parameters in Look Setup in RedCine-X.

I initially created the looks by selecting a clip in the bin, making my adjustments, and then adding the new look in Look Preset.

 

[Michael Tiemann]

I missed the part about putting the look back in the camera. I explained how I solved the problem of batch-processing the looks lots of R3D files w/o changing ISO for programs like Resolve of PPro. I have no idea whether the camera can be selective about what to apply. Might want to suggest it as a feature to RED if it's not actually supported.

M