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Creating dailies on set questions

Dominick Pietrzak

Dominick Pietrzak

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Hello all!

I'm looking for some pointers as to what I need to create on set dailies.

The new iPad Mini looks great for dailies, but I've got no clue what you'd do to get the dailies on them in a timely fashion.

I would think you'd need a red rocket and transcode on set to something like ProRes 422, and then just dump the dailies onto the iPad?

Isn't there software that would make everything neat and easy for the director / DP to go over footage and make notes?

New to this area so looking for any tips really :)

Thanks in advance!
 
Heres a couple of ideas. Our preference is to use RC-X to transcode.

We use half res Good, Lanczos3 sharpening encode to Prores LT. 1920 x 1080 native frame rate, In our case 25fps. Use the Redline Option under Export options which will enable up to 6 simultanious encodes in RC-X. Its about 5 times realtime at half res good.

You can also use R3D data manager to run transcodes which also works well.

I would also check out low bandwidth encoding using the X264 third party encoder if you want highly compressed dalies for mobile devices. X264 is IMHO still the best encode for H264 in the QT framework. Its also free up to its last release.
 
Thanks Dave!

Oh yes, I had forgotten about x264. I think that would be the best option if I were providing dailies on iPads.

The only Mac with Thunderbolt I have right now is an 11" MacBook Air. What do you think about hooking up a Red Rocket via. Sonnet PCI Chassis to it and transcoding like that?

Can I create both x264 and ProRes 422 Proxies for the production at the same time?

Not sure where I should start to build a setup for this. I've got a Mac Pro, but lugging that around seems like a pain if I could do it on a MacBook Air.
 
Dominick Pietrzak said:
Thanks Dave!

Oh yes, I had forgotten about x264. I think that would be the best option if I were providing dailies on iPads.

The only Mac with Thunderbolt I have right now is an 11" MacBook Air. What do you think about hooking up a Red Rocket via. Sonnet PCI Chassis to it and transcoding like that?

Can I create both x264 and ProRes 422 Proxies for the production at the same time?

Not sure where I should start to build a setup for this. I've got a Mac Pro, but lugging that around seems like a pain if I could do it on a MacBook Air.
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That will be tight. Better to have an additional station where you make h.246 files from the proxies or you will have a tough time to keep up with the transcodes for a "normal shooting day"... what ever that is.

another option is a HD recorder. like the ninja or such and just record the video tap next to the monitor. those files are fine to have for the director etc as dailies. If you find one with big enough storage and high enough compression you can pretty much let it run for a full shooting day.
 
Björn Benckert said:
That will be tight. Better to have an additional station where you make h.246 files from the proxies or you will have a tough time to keep up with the transcodes for a "normal shooting day"... what ever that is.

another option is a HD recorder. like the ninja or such and just record the video tap next to the monitor. those files are fine to have for the director etc as dailies. If you find one with big enough storage and high enough compression you can pretty much let it run for a full shooting day.
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Thanks Björn! So you're saying, make the proxies on the MacBook Air w/ Red Rocket and then transcode those into h264 on (what I have) a 2010 MacBook Pro 15"? Will that work efficiently?

Good idea on the external recorder, although that would mean another addition to the camera setup.

If RED releases a separate proxy module that'd be huge. Then half the problem is solved. Would be a huge time saver.

As for getting the h264 files onto iPads... do you just do that through iTunes?
 
Go to Light Iron's web site and get the free server application for your Mac. Then buy one or both of their apps ($9.99 each) on your iPad (depending on your needs).

http://lightiron.com
 
Dominick Pietrzak said:
Thanks Björn! So you're saying, make the proxies on the MacBook Air w/ Red Rocket and then transcode those into h264 on (what I have) a 2010 MacBook Pro 15"? Will that work efficiently?

Good idea on the external recorder, although that would mean another addition to the camera setup.

If RED releases a separate proxy module that'd be huge. Then half the problem is solved. Would be a huge time saver.

As for getting the h264 files onto iPads... do you just do that through iTunes?
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There is a proxy module in the RED Store now, its called the Meizler Module. Soon to come will be the Jule's box which is a proxy recording only module.
http://www.red.com/store/products/meizler-module
 
Terry VerHaar said:
Go to Light Iron's web site and get the free server application for your Mac. Then buy one or both of their apps ($9.99 each) on your iPad (depending on your needs).

http://lightiron.com
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Ah yes it was LightIron that had all the really cool apps.

Was just going through their site, and another question came up: what's gonna be the easiest way to sync audio to get it in the dailies and ProRes Proxies?

Matt Ryan said:
There is a proxy module in the RED Store now, its called the Meizler Module. Soon to come will be the Jule's box which is a proxy recording only module.
http://www.red.com/store/products/meizler-module
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I know about the Meizler Module, but it is way too much for my needs. I'd love to get it one day as it's got everything, but right now it would be overkill.
 
Dominick Pietrzak said:
Ah yes it was LightIron that had all the really cool apps.

Was just going through their site, and another question came up: what's gonna be the easiest way to sync audio to get it in the dailies and ProRes Proxies?
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As of yesterday, the best way to do it all might be FCP-X. Auto-synch audio and make ProRes, then let Light Iron make the h.264 files and send them to the iPad.
 
FCP-X automatically syncs audio? Would it need to be done with timecode? I don't have FCP-X, and was actually thinking of going the Adobe route soon.
 
I think the easiest way to sync audio would be to sync timecode with the camera and sound recorder. That way in RCX all I would have to do would be to select the proper folder and sync it up.

It's all starting to make sense slowly.

So here's what I'm thinking...

MacBook Air 11"
Sonnet Express Pro Thunderbolt Chassis
Red Rocket
Matrox Compress-HD (to create h264 files) (does the Red Rocket take up 2 slots in the Sonnet Chassis? If so, this isn't going to work.)
RedCine-X Pro (sync all media and create ProRes 422 Proxies for editing if necessary)
Compressor (create h264 files from ProRes files)
LightIron Server (pathway for h264 files onto Todailies app)
LightIron Todailies

Please let me know if this sounds like a setup that could work. I'm going a bit insane trying to think how it's all going to work together.
 
The LaCie ThunderBolt eSata hub also seems like a good add-on to connect eSata drives to.
 
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