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Could we have a redray laser projector sub forum please.

Could we have a redray laser projector sub forum please.

  • Yes indeed!

    Votes: 11 100.0%

  • Yes please, I'm not a negative that wants to vote no but never buy a projector or use the forum

    Votes: 1 9.1%
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    11
Seriously, I almost forgot RedRay was a product. It's a bit disappointing that this is not being mentioned anywhere. We'll see if 2014 gives us the projector / RedRay but based on the lack of info and time it's taken on this I'm not holding my breath.
 
Barco and Christie are on track - when last I checked - to launch next year though that's certainly not written in stone for an industry-wide transition. Christie will (should) have their first 4K laser projector installed at the Seattle Cinerama by next Summer and Barco seems to be inching towards a rollout in some fashion though I don't know what they have going on. Mitsubishi is still plodding along with laser projection and has introduced business models for portable presentations with home cinema projectors likely in the next five years. I don't know what is going on with their patents - or if they ever really had any - but I would say it is likely they licensed them out if not sold them all outright. Sony of course is developing their own laser projectors for digital cinema and home cinema with nothing on the table at this time except their first generation of business projectors packing lasers.
 
Maybe more obvious than that, apart from the aforementioned reasons, simply getting content deals for 4k big studio content can be very complex. Competitors might have things tied up. To them your 4k productions maybe considered fodder and not serious content that users will sign up for, so they hangout for big studio content. Now the players $1450 was a lot, $450 more a maximum price to get users interested in. However, a subscription service has to recover the cost over the subscription periods, pushing the price up steeply in a market that thinks cable TV quality is acceptable. Why buy a $1750 player if only one service has content for it. Earning big money from compression schemes is difficult. Subscription content provision is a big money game. Another issue is licensing high quality files to convert to redray. Studios might not like high quality footage out there due to piracy. They could have gone to a software solution and charged for encoding licenses. But the truth is, that getting ADSL2+ to operate at maximum data rate is fraught. The solution is to dynamically drop back to lower quality, but then again you have the extra recovery encoding for internet use. Still, a software solution could be working by now and Intel or AMD would have been happy to customise a decoder solution for it just to be on top.
 
There has been a 8k by 8k laser solution for years. Everybody seems to be projecting on landmarks at the moment, how many are laser projectors?


Jeff, was that the Australia technology that Mitsubishi licensed?
 
I've been doing a ton of research and one of the interesting developments was with a particular projector dealer...they have a 2K projector that handles 4K and basically down-converts the 4K to 2K (the native resolution is 2k). I asked him if 4K originated DCP's look better than 2K DCP's and he couldn't answer.

The other thing he was telling me was 90+% of projectors in Canada are 2K and will be for some time. let's not forget Canada represents 10% of North American box office so that number is significant.

Even IMAX theatres are showing only in 2K which is kind of crazy...how can you call it large format if it's only the screen you're projecting onto?

I knew this was basically the case with the theatrical switch to DCP of course and the 2K entree cost was six figures or more so the desire to replace something you may have just paid off is not entirely feasible, much less desirable. And without a major jump in 4K studio released features the demand for 4K will remain stagnant...he was telling me most industry folk couldn't discern the difference between 2K and 4K unless it's beyond a 50 foot screen (hello, Imax?). I know when we watched the Red Promo reel along with our 4K Tralier last summer at Red Studios I could tell the difference. And what's that screen? 40 ft.? The images and detail just leapt off the screen.

Really, really unfortunate Red won't give us any info at all. One way or the other. "Yes it's dead," or, "We will release within the next 6 months," or ,"it's still a product we are actively developing." At the very least their interest in the technology will push the other manufacturers to produce 4K projectors at a solid price point. Please, and thanks.
 
Perosnally I think red should leave the projectors to the people that make such. They kick started the the industry buy showing off their 4k projector development on an early stage but in the long run there is quite a few companies out there that enter that battle. I think the same goes a bit for the red ray and making lenses, same for monitors.

To me it's much better if red focus purely on cameras and possibly the .RED codec. But making players, projectors, lenses, screens and all such other things is, to me, to differentiate to much. But ofcourse I'm not Jarred or Jim so nothing for me to decide :) But there is so much you can do around cameras so as I see it there is no real need to run out and start to make movie theater equipment. Barco and the other guys will slowly solve that part anyhow.
 
Yes Björn , but those manufacturers want to charge up to ten times what they could, and distribution is an artificial choke. So credit to them for opening up distribution and charging maybe up to 5 times the price.

Thanks.
 
So here's a question -does it make sense to buy a 4K projector now for use over the next 6-12 months even if the majority of your DCP's are going to be 2k? Do we need to show movies in resolution greater than 2K? If the purpose is to make money then it's hard to justify buying a 4K projector when the screen is only going to be 30 feet wide.
 
I don't think it makes sense to buy a 4K projector at all right now unless it makes sense for your business and what you do. Things are getting to the point where 4K IS the way to go and will be and easy road to take given the advances in post-production workflow and computer processing power, but we're still gonna be in a 2K world for the next few years because of broadcast/cable TV, which is several years away from 4K transition. I think 2017 will be the year that 2K starts to die along with 1080P and it will be gone by 2020.
 
L. Langer said:
Barco and Christie are on track - when last I checked - to launch next year though that's certainly not written in stone for an industry-wide transition. Christie will (should) have their first 4K laser projector installed at the Seattle Cinerama by next Summer and Barco seems to be inching towards a rollout in some fashion though I don't know what they have going on. Mitsubishi is still plodding along with laser projection and has introduced business models for portable presentations with home cinema projectors likely in the next five years. I don't know what is going on with their patents - or if they ever really had any - but I would say it is likely they licensed them out if not sold them all outright. Sony of course is developing their own laser projectors for digital cinema and home cinema with nothing on the table at this time except their first generation of business projectors packing lasers.
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Sony just announced their first in-home laser projector - on display at CES right now as "4K Ultra short-throw projector" - using SXRD panels but with a laser diode instead of a Xenon bulb. Expected to be available in the Summer for $30-$40K. 2000 lumens with up to 147-inch screen coverage.

http://blog.sony.com/press/sony-demonstrates-short-throw-4k-ultra-hd-projector/
 
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That Sony thing is seriously niche.

What I find surprising is the total lack of 4K projector announcements at CES. Hope RED is paying attention here. Not sure what happened to their projector, but if it's ready, or even close to ready, they could run away with the market right now. Just sayin… captive audience. Sony comes up with a super-short-throw projector that also doubles as a piece of overpriced hipster furniture. Panasonic announces a "4K" projector that uses pixel shifting of a 3LCD array to get to 3840x2160 approximated. Sony has the 500/600ES as well as the 1100ES, which are just OK and overpriced due to lack of competition. EPSON announced a 4K projector over 2 years ago, still nowhere to be seen as they wait for a 4K DMD from TI. Oh, wait, 4K DMD, or I should say UHD 3840x2160 non-wobulated DMD is now delayed until 2015.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
That Sony thing is seriously niche.

What I find surprising is the total lack of 4K projector announcements at CES. Hope RED is paying attention here. Not sure what happened to their projector, but if it's ready, or even close to ready, they could run away with the market right now. Just sayin… captive audience. Sony comes up with a super-short-throw projector that also doubles as a piece of overpriced hipster furniture. Panasonic announces a "4K" projector that uses pixel shifting of a 3LCD array to get to 3840x2160 approximated. Sony has the 500/600ES as well as the 1100ES, which are just OK and overpriced due to lack of competition. EPSON announced a 4K projector over 2 years ago, still nowhere to be seen as they wait for a 4K DMD from TI. Oh, wait, 4K DMD, or I should say UHD 3840x2160 non-wobulated DMD is now delayed until 2015.
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I walked most of the floor at CES today looking for 4K projectors. There really isn't anything out there which is really dissapointing. It's surprising with the crazy amount of 4K displays that are out here. The Sony projector really isn't that good, like Jeff said, just a niche thing. Panasoninc also has a theater sized 4k Projector, and though it looks nice, it's not what most of us are looking for. Now that everyone seems to have dropped 3D, curved displays seem to be the gimmick this year. If RED still has their projector on their product timeline, I think it would be a great time to start talking about it a bit more.
 
L. Langer said:
Sony just announced their first in-home laser projector - on display at CES right now as "4K Ultra short-throw projector" - using SXRD panels but with a laser diode instead of a Xenon bulb. Expected to be available in the Summer for $30-$40K. 2000 lumens with up to 147-inch screen coverage.

http://blog.sony.com/press/sony-demonstrates-short-throw-4k-ultra-hd-projector/
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2000 Lumens is nothing really, especially at the price point you're talking about. If you consider Barco's 2K projector it has 9,500 lumens and plays back both 4K and 2K with a built in server for the same price but can project on a screen up to 33 feet wide.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
That Sony thing is seriously niche.

What I find surprising is the total lack of 4K projector announcements at CES. Hope RED is paying attention here. Not sure what happened to their projector, but if it's ready, or even close to ready, they could run away with the market right now. Just sayin… captive audience. Sony comes up with a super-short-throw projector that also doubles as a piece of overpriced hipster furniture. Panasonic announces a "4K" projector that uses pixel shifting of a 3LCD array to get to 3840x2160 approximated. Sony has the 500/600ES as well as the 1100ES, which are just OK and overpriced due to lack of competition. EPSON announced a 4K projector over 2 years ago, still nowhere to be seen as they wait for a 4K DMD from TI. Oh, wait, 4K DMD, or I should say UHD 3840x2160 non-wobulated DMD is now delayed until 2015.
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They will charge as much as they can for as long as they can to make the most money out of deceivable exploitable people. The trend is that they make lots of money from displays and charge a lot for the cheaper niche projection technology. There is often no rationality except exploitation of greed. You notice in previous generations the general resolution in cheaper projectors is kept down for ages. How much more does it cost to make a HD /full HD/ 4k projection chip over a SD chip. They treat us as fools.
 
Wayne Morellini said:
They will charge as much as they can for as long as they can to make the most money out of deceivable exploitable people. The trend is that they make lots of money from displays and charge a lot for the cheaper niche projection technology. There is often no rationality except exploitation of greed. You notice in previous generations the general resolution in cheaper projectors is kept down for ages. How much more does it cost to make a HD /full HD/ 4k projection chip over a SD chip. They treat us as fools.
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I forgot, the reason to mention this was that they are provably ready by now but holding back and the moment Red releases they can flood the market with competing brand named projectors. The time to release was before, when they were not ready.
 
That seems a bit ominous if Odemax is not promoting their service this year in the show that is pretty much it or do you think there is still a chance they could release this year? Seems to me that they sound a bit dead in the water after this much time.
 
So...nothing more regarding Red Projector?

It kills me to have to drop $37,000 on a 2K projector when I know there are Red Projectors under glass at Red Studios.

Alive, or dead? Jarred?
 
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