Correct/ Easiest way to reconnect offline edit from FCP to original R3d and back?

[Matt Ryan]

Thats why Resolve and Premiere are so beneficial as you use the R3d's until your final render. If you go the FCP route next time just transcode to prores 4444 flat and that way you wont have to go back and re export. A redrocket isn't really necessary although it does help.

If it didn't work then just bring all of your R3D's into RedcineX Pro and transcode every single one and then do a relink like I mentioned in the previous post. It sucks cause it will take forever but you gotta do what you gotta do. That's why the post workflow is set up before a shoot so these issues don't come up at the end of the road. Just bite the bullet on this one and for the next one if you choose to edit with FCP learn Resolve. Or Just switch over to Premiere Pro CS6 and edit with the native RAW files and have real time playback and worry about exporting for delivery at the end of the line.

 

[Matt Ryan]

Did not work......... SMFH

This is for a Music video which has a whole bunch of fades and layers with opacities etc, the timeline exported but where dissolves are the clips just freeze for a couple of seconds and then it keeps going normal.... What a Hot mess...... For how great this footage looks I must admit that the Post Production on this is brutal if you do not have the correct hardware ( rocket card) ... Truly truly truly pissed right now

Also, did you render the timeline in FCP after the relink? it might not play back because it hasn't been done yet...

 

[Nathan Goods]

Something I have been thinking that makes no sense to me, why would I edit offline to then try and reconnect to the original raw files and then have to export pro res 444 files anyways? That's what I mean on how I MUST be doing something wrong. If not I would have just converted to pro res 444 in the first place? There must be a way to render my actual timeline correctly.....

 

[Alvise Tedesco]

Did not work......... SMFH

This is for a Music video which has a whole bunch of fades and layers with opacities etc, the timeline exported but where dissolves are the clips just freeze for a couple of seconds and then it keeps going normal.... What a Hot mess...... For how great this footage looks I must admit that the Post Production on this is brutal if you do not have the correct hardware ( rocket card) ... Truly truly truly pissed right now

I'd go back to fcp timeline, remove ALL effects (also re extend faded clips to original lenght). Keep 1 single video track. Create xml. Import that in RCX. Export again log 4444 from RCX. Re apply effects in fcp 4444 sequence

 

[Nathan Goods]

I'd go back to fcp timeline, remove ALL effects (also re extend faded clips to original lenght). Keep 1 single video track. Create xml. Import that in RCX. Export again log 4444 from RCX. Re apply effects in fcp 4444 sequence

Sounds like really good advice, but obviously since it's a music video and I have at times 3-4 layers on top of one another it just wouldn't work as I would need multiple video tracks, which is the way I edit in FCP. As of now I'm just converting the files at 1/2 Good and will wait the several hours it's going to take.


My next option is to learn Resolve for the next project as I am very very comfortable with FCP and in between jobs I cannot afford to learn a new NLE. After my next job though I will have about a week in a half of down time which I will probably find a way to start a transition to Premiere as I feel that is the closest to FCP.


Thanks

 

[Per von Koch]

Sounds like really good advice, but obviously since it's a music video and I have at times 3-4 layers on top of one another it just wouldn't work as I would need multiple video tracks, which is the way I edit in FCP. As of now I'm just converting the files at 1/2 Good and will wait the several hours it's going to take.


My next option is to learn Resolve for the next project as I am very very comfortable with FCP and in between jobs I cannot afford to learn a new NLE. After my next job though I will have about a week in a half of down time which I will probably find a way to start a transition to Premiere as I feel that is the closest to FCP.


Thanks

Think you have to create those 3-4 into one layer in fcp before creating the XML.

 

[Nathan Goods]

I also have another question??? Some files that I converted did the whole clip, but some of them didn't and would only do like 2 seconds? When I go into the original r3d directory I see that those other clips are generated there as well as the pro res ones I am doing? Doesn't happen to all of them but on some of them it does, what am I doing wrong?????

Like it generates another red file but smaller and also add like a realoneplayer icon as another clip in the original r3d directory? Why is this post work so complicated for nothing... Us as artist spend to much time being technical instead of being creative. Red needs to seriously addressed this

 

[Matt Ryan]

it's not complicated. You took the complicated route.

You shouldn't be transcoding into the original directories. You should create a new folder and send the transcodes there. Never touch or move/rename the original R3D's or their file structure. The real player icon files are most likely the RMD. Check the extension and I'm sure they are the RMD. Those are the metadate settings for each R3D and thats where they are stored. Thats how RedcineX Pro, Resolve, Premiere, ect. know what color settings or look you applied to the clip so when you load it that look will be applied.

If they didn't do the whole clip you either a) set in and out points on the R3D in RedcineX Pro, or b) your rendering from the timeline xml and that clip was read as only being that long...



I suggest you start over. Load every single original R3D into RedcineX Pro and load them into the bin. Make sure they all have the correct color settings (redcolor3, redlogfilm), then export those as prores 4444 by selecting export bin(all). Send them into a new folder and call it RedcineX 4444 Transcodes or whatever you want and select that as the output folder. Once all those clips have transcoded go back into FCP and select relink and tell FCP to relink with the new transcoded files. This is the easiest way for you to do it now without the possibility of another user error.

Double check you haven't set in and out points of each of the clips or RedcineX Pro will only transcodes what are inside the in and out. At this point forget about the xml import into RedcineX. Also make sure you are Running RedcineX Pro build 14.

Make sure your export setup looks like this:

For the next job if this is the way you always edit, just export the prores 4444 files and stay with those all the way. Theres no point in doing (LT or low res) if you plan on going back and transcoding again for 4444. Thats a huge waste of time and completely unnecessary. If you learn Resolve this is an easy way to keep a similar workflow as you can edit with LT or low res, then relink in Resolve for a color with the R3D's. Or you can get CS6 and work with the native files all the way through the process.

Hope this works but remember there are easy ways to deal with the footage, lots of us do it, it's just the workflow you chose that is the hold-up.

 

[TonySegreto]

Premiere Pro CS6.

 

[Matt Ryan]

If your still confused for the next one check out this thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?62587-QUICK-amp-EASY-REDCINE-X-FCP-WORKFLOW&highlight=hotel+room

It's an easy "Hotel Room" FCP workflow by Mark Toia. His example is for 422HQ but if you want 4444 just change that setting.

 

[Nathan Goods]

If your still confused for the next one check out this thread:
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showth...Y-REDCINE-X-FCP-WORKFLOW&highlight=hotel+room

It's an easy "Hotel Room" FCP workflow by Mark Toia. His example is for 422HQ but if you want 4444 just change that setting.

I just checked one of my original r3d files and it seems like it got cut short? For example when I first convert clip #7 it was 2:00 now when I convert that same clip to pro res 444 it is only 1:30. So like you said maybe go and check and see if you have a in and out point in the original raw file, I checked and I don't.... So when I open up the original clip in the viewer (red pro) the clip ends at 1:30.... So what happened to the original file? How did it get cut by almost :30 seconds? How would it even be possible for this to have happened? Never in my years of transcoding footage have I ever had this happen, even tape logging on old cameras....

 

[Matt Ryan]

It shouldn't but you could have deleted the 2nd R3D for the clip. Sometimes there are 2,3,4 R3D's per clip that when loaded in RCX are combined. If one part is deleted you just lost that info. That is why I and everyone else say never touch the original files or their directory structure. In redcineX pro just select the folders the R3D's are located in and drag them all to the bin. If your still having issues with the one clip you most likely deleted an R3D somehow. Don't ever rename, move, paste, insert anything into the original file structure of the R3D's.

Are you sure you didn't set an in or an out point? They don't show up as a marker. Right click on both the in and out point symbol and select clear in and clear out and see if that does anything.

 

[Nathan Goods]

It shouldn't but you could have deleted the 2nd R3D for the clip. Sometimes there are 2,3,4 R3D's per clip that when loaded in RCX are combined. If one part is deleted you just lost that info. That is why I and everyone else say never touch the original files or their directory structure. In redcineX pro just select the folders the R3D's are located in and drag them all to the bin. If your still having issues with the one clip you most likely deleted an R3D somehow. Don't ever rename, move, paste, insert anything into the original file structure of the R3D's.

Are you sure you didn't set an in or an out point? They don't show up as a marker. Right click on both the in and out point symbol and select clear in and clear out and see if that does anything.

I possible then deleted the 2,3 of the clip but the thing was prior to me converting these files they were not generated. So when I looked into the original directory and seen 3,4,5 clips being generated I deleted them assuming that the 1 clip was the only original r3 clip. Man I don't even know what's happening anymore, worst comes worst I might have to deliver this project in Pro Res proxy at 1/4 which is what I have been editing with.

 

[Matt Ryan]

man that blows. Never delete an R3D file, it can only be generated by the camera. Thats why never send any transcodes or anything else to the original folders or even mess with them. It will also screw up your relinking to the R3D's if there are other files in those folders or have been moved around or renamed. Inside each R3D folder will be the R3D (Sometimes multiple R3D - segments), the RMD (metadata settings), and if shot on the Red One possibly Proxy files. That should be it. Never add anything to these or delete anything in these folders. Whenever you need to generate transcodes open RedcineX Pro, select you drive, and folder location in the browser window, select all your R3D's and drag them to the bin. Then make your adjustments, color, etc, then set up your export to a folder specifically for your transcodes and make sure to select output with clip file name if you plan to relink. Most importantly, always have a backup in case you or anyone else accidentally delete something or something gets corrupted.

You don't have a backup on another drive?

 

[IAN SUN]

Ouch, wow. That is painful. Knowing your workflow before jumping is is really important.

Someone suggested yesterday that a RED Wiki is needed.
This is a great illustration of why.

Nathan once you know what not to do it's easy as pie. Good luck on the next one : )

 

[ericyoung]

The company has a backup drive, but don't want to look like a fool and tell them I messed up which could cause me my job unfortunately. Another I can do is just try to edit around the video and replace and hope whatever section that did get erased is not what I actually used in the project. Also the pro res proxy files at 1/4 look pretty good and could past after some color grading if worst came to worst.

You don't have to tell them you messed up - just say you need to check an issue with a clip or something that doesn't sound too disastrous.

BUT, don't edit from the backup drive!! Just make copies of the clips you need/partially deleted, and give back the drive otherwise untouched. As the only remaining good copy, you really should minimise what you do with it.
In fact the best option would be to get the company to make a copy of the backup and send that and not the backup drive. That's just best backup practice and shouldn't be that strange to ask.
Maybe you can supply the drive to copy it to, so the company doesn't balk at buying yet another drive!

In the end though, sometimes it's better to just be honest.

 

[Nathan Goods]

You don't have to tell them you messed up - just say you need to check an issue with a clip or something that doesn't sound too disastrous.

BUT, don't edit from the backup drive!! Just make copies of the clips you need/partially deleted, and give back the drive otherwise untouched. As the only remaining good copy, you really should minimise what you do with it.
In fact the best option would be to get the company to make a copy of the backup and send that and not the backup drive. That's just best backup practice and shouldn't be that strange to ask.
Maybe you can supply the drive to copy it to, so the company doesn't balk at buying yet another drive!

In the end though, sometimes it's better to just be honest.

Thanks & yeah I learned from my mistake , but like I said this is mainly for web distribution and I was still able to salvage most of the clips. Live & you learn, thank you for all of the help. My next tackle is learning Dissolve

 

[Nathan Goods]

Going back and referencing my original data I did not delete certain .r3d files and it still created the same problem of the files not converting. All I did was organize the main folders which were recorded but left the actual files alone, how is it possible that when I moved the main folders around it created such problems if within them I never touched the actual files?????


Somehow it seems when I tried to connect the original files to the XML sequence it seemed that this deleted some of the tracks, but all I did was change the gamma to 2 and red log film. Most of my original files have been cut short and even ones where I didn't delete the r2, r3 files. How could my original r3d files get messed up, even the ones I didn't touch??????

 

[Matt Ryan]

Theres no way of knowing without actually seeing what you did. I have never seen or heard of this happening to anyone before and I'm sure if it was a RED issue there would be threads about it here. You must not be doing something right.

The R3D's can not be modified unless you somehow physically manipulate them. No program will do destructive editing with them so that is not possible. Whatever has been done is user error.

How did you go back to your original data? If you deleted it, you wont see it or know what is missing and what is not. You said you didn't have a backup? So theres no way to verify.

Where are you trying to connect the xml to the original files?

Relax a little, this is all user error and has nothing to do with RED. Files don't delete themselves or destructive edit themselves. Moving the folders causes problems if for example FCP was referencing files in them, they would go offline. You never want to delete the RDC folders or rename them as those are how programs know what to link to.

You really need to do this:
1. Open RCX, start a new project and load all the R3D folders you have for the project into the bin (All of them even if you werent using that shot). Make sure no in and out points are set (right click on the in and out buttons and select clear in/out point). Once checked EXPORT ALL (ALL OF THEM!) as prores 4444 to a new folder not in the original file structure! (Place the folder on your desktop so you don't screw them up. Never put them in the the folders with the R3D's.)

2. Open your FCP project, select all clips, take them offline, then right click reconnect, then select the files in the new exports on your desktop.

This is the most fool proof way of doing it.

No one can really know what buttons you have pushed, what you have moved, or what you have done so it's hard to give advice. Either way the R3D's do not edit themselves and no program does destructive editing with them so it is impossible for them to damage themselves.

 

[Nathan Goods]

Theres no way of knowing without actually seeing what you did. I have never seen or heard of this happening to anyone before and I'm sure if it was a RED issue there would be threads about it here. You must not be doing something right.

The R3D's can not be modified unless you somehow physically manipulate them. No program will do destructive editing with them so that is not possible. Whatever has been done is user error.

How did you go back to your original data? If you deleted it, you wont see it or know what is missing and what is not. You said you didn't have a backup? So theres no way to verify.

Where are you trying to connect the xml to the original files?

Relax a little, this is all user error and has nothing to do with RED. Files don't delete themselves or destructive edit themselves. Moving the folders causes problems if for example FCP was referencing files in them, they would go offline. You never want to delete the RDC folders or rename them as those are how programs know what to link to.

You really need to do this:
1. Open RCX, start a new project and load all the R3D folders you have for the project into the bin (All of them even if you werent using that shot). Make sure no in and out points are set (right click on the in and out buttons and select clear in/out point). Once checked EXPORT ALL (ALL OF THEM!) as prores 4444 to a new folder not in the original file structure! (Place the folder on your desktop so you don't screw them up. Never put them in the the folders with the R3D's.)

2. Open your FCP project, select all clips, take them offline, then right click reconnect, then select the files in the new exports on your desktop.

This is the most fool proof way of doing it.

No one can really know what buttons you have pushed, what you have moved, or what you have done so it's hard to give advice. Either way the R3D's do not edit themselves and no program does destructive editing with them so it is impossible for them to damage themselves.

Explain this because it's driving me fvcking CRAZY!! I just opened an original r3d file and seen the duration is 1:58 but when I convert it , it only does 1:16. Why in the world does it do that? I cleared all in and out points. I also verified with my original proxy converted files that this clip os indeed 1:58. When I open Red Cine Pro to convert the file though it does not do the whole thing, why does it do this? Really driving me crazy here