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Cooke - New Vintage - Panchro Classic, April 2017

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http://www.fdtimes.com/2016/09/05/new-cooke-panchro-classics/

In response to continued enthusiasm from cinematographers and demand by rental houses for Cooke Optics’ vintage Speed Panchro lenses from the 1920s-1960s, Cooke introduces a new series of Panchro Classics based on the original design, with PL mounts and modern mechanics. The Panchro Classic line is scheduled to ship around April 2017.


The original Cooke Speed Panchro, designed by Horace W. Lee in the 1920s, was the first to combine an f/2.0 aperture with fully corrected color and geometry. The Jazz Singer (1927) and other talkies created a demand for these fast lenses. Noisy arc lamps could not be used, the lights that replaced them weren’t as bright, and frame rate increased from silent 16 or 18 fps to talkie 24 fps—a decrease of about 1/2 stop exposure. Studios snapped up the new Cooke f/2.0 (T2.3) lenses. These were the now-legendary uncoated Cooke Speed Panchros.


In 1945, Cooke introduced the Speed Panchro Series II lens, designed by Gordon Cook. They had an anti-reflective coating and came in 6 focal lengths: 18, 25, 32, 40, 50 and 75mm.


Les Zellan, Chairman and Owner, Cooke Optics, said, “People still love the look they get from the old Speed Panchros, but they are hard to find—and if you can find them, you have to remount them for today’s cameras. Therefore, we have taken the original Speed Panchro design and created a new housing to fit the PL mount. The new lenses will have the same look and feel that people love about the originals.”


What makes these lenses different from rehoused Panchros? In addition to modern mechanics, lens mounts, cam focus and uniform front diameters, they all cover S35 image circles—approx 30mm diagonal. (Original Panchros covered Standard 35 Academy format. ) They will also come standard with the new Cooke Multi System — in PL, EF, E, F, MFT.


The Cooke Panchro Classics all have a front diameter of 110mm — like the majority of S4/i and 5/i primes.

 
Just saw this. Lookin foreward to try these out. I just shot a commercial last week with a nice set of Speed Panchros on an Epic. Some did vignett in 5K so I had to shoot for a re-frame in Post.
Other than that they looked great. Everybody on the set really liked the images
 
Regarding the little lemo port on the bottom: are they planing on integrating electronic focus, so you can use them with wireless follow focus units?
 

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yeah, you can only use them on the helium... maybe they make full frame versions now?
 
I may be mistaken but I believe some of the focal Lengths over 40mm (original speed panchro S2) cover vistavision...

Either way, quite thrilled by these. Hoping I can afford a set.
 
Regarding the little lemo port on the bottom: are they planing on integrating electronic focus, so you can use them with wireless follow focus units?

That is for i/technology.

Metadata that records the focal length, focus distance and iris setting for each frame.

The port you see is for a place the information can go if using a camera that does not enable i/technology to be transferred through contacts in the PL mount. Basically dumb PL mount cameras
 
That is for i/technology.

Metadata that records the focal length, focus distance and iris setting for each frame.

The port you see is for a place the information can go if using a camera that does not enable i/technology to be transferred through contacts in the PL mount. Basically dumb PL mount cameras

I haven't used a cooke lens with a lemo port before, but I thought the lemo port was for lighting up the markings on the barrel.

My question is, are they re-housing old lenses, or is it new glass? I'm guessing new glass, because it sounds like they they cover more FOV compared to the original ones.
 
Very interesting... wonder what the cost will be and how it will affect the rehoused sets of the vintage stuff out there.

I have to say...

I think the rehoused sets value will go UP now, even more.

Why?

This raise awareness of the lenses and the original ones will remain forever like that...original (and RARE).

Sure, the new ones will be surely better color/contrast/bloom matched @ every stop,
but even if the recipe is the same...well they don't have the original ingredients! ;)

BUT Nice lenses for sure!

I fear the price for a set of these Classics will be more like an S4/i set than a MiniS4/i set unfortunately...
 
Very interesting... wonder what the cost will be and how it will affect the rehoused sets of the vintage stuff out there.


depending on how true to look they are to the vintage sets they have the potential to destroy that market for reasons of build, flawless glass,and blades, and most important coverage. they will cover S35 and not just Academy.
 
I may be mistaken but I believe some of the focal Lengths over 40mm (original speed panchro S2) cover vistavision...

Either way, quite thrilled by these. Hoping I can afford a set.

theres a lot of good affordable glass recently, specially with rehousing a...

Says s35 in the article, which might not vignette, but I assume it wouldnt be the same quality edge to edge on 70mm... Hawk is making 70mm lenses, not sure why Cooke wouldn't
 
I haven't used a cooke lens with a lemo port before, but I thought the lemo port was for lighting up the markings on the barrel.

My question is, are they re-housing old lenses, or is it new glass? I'm guessing new glass, because it sounds like they they cover more FOV compared to the original ones.

Nope. It's a secondary communication port. Exact same 4-contact design as the mount contacts but in lemo form. In this four pin / four contact configuration, power is provided by 1 or 2 of the pins/contacts, so I suppose if you have a dumb PL mount, and you apply the proper cable, the lens would receive the necessary power to light up the focus scale, that otherwise would not be illuminated if on a dumb mount. (For 5/i lenses ( S4/i's and Anamorphic/i's don't have illuminated scales, yet still have this external port.))

So yes it can be used to simply illuminate scales on Cooke 5/i lenses, but it is for more than that, and it is also found on Cooke S4/i and Anamorphic/i lenses which do not have illuminated scales.

The exception is older S4 lenses that are not S4/i's, don't have this port, and nor to Mini S4/i's. Despite having i/technology in Mini's, they don't have the secondary external communication connector. They are PL mount contacts only, so if you have a dumb PL mount, you can't get i/data off the lens.
 
I may be mistaken but I believe some of the focal Lengths over 40mm (original speed panchro S2) cover vistavision...

Either way, quite thrilled by these. Hoping I can afford a set.

I have no idea if you are right but I thought it was just the double speed Pancros that covered vista?
 
I have to say...

I think the rehoused sets value will go UP now, even more.

This raise awareness of the lenses and the original ones will remain forever like that...original (and RARE).

I fear the price for a set of these Classics will be more like an S4/i set than a MiniS4/i set unfortunately...

The speed of these needs to play into the price point. I always thought the Mini's were over priced and should have been designed as 2.3 lenses Like the new "Vintage" one coming or priced cheaper (at 2.8), too slow for prime. I'm guessing if the new lenses are given "vintage" qualities then maybe the lens element wont have to be as exact, whether its some booming or not perfect sharp out to the edges, which could bring down production costs. Not sure they should land at the Ultra prime price point of 12-13k. I'll guess the Vintage Panchro will be priced about 10-11k each.

Koodo's to Cooke and Les, great idea!
 
It would be awesome if they made anamorphic versions of these ala the Cooke Xtal Express as well.
 
The speed of these needs to play into the price point. I always thought the Mini's were over priced and should have been designed as 2.3 lenses

For reference,

Cooke 5i T1.4 32mm is $23k USD.
Cooke S4i T2 32mm is $18k USD.
Cooke Mini S4i T2.8 32mm is $7.3k USD.

Not sure I agree that the Minis are over-priced. Hand-built boutique lenses with complex precision mechanics and exotic glass will always have a premium cost compared to mass-produced consumer lenses. Cooke made the decision to manufacture their 'affordable' line by reducing the specs instead of compromising build quality or using cheaper materials. Other manufacturers like Zeiss did the opposite with their Compact Prime lenses. Different strokes. Also, T2.3 Minis would directly compete with their S4 line. So that would never happen for variety of reasons.


I'm guessing if the new lenses are given "vintage" qualities then maybe the lens element wont have to be as exact, whether its some booming or not perfect sharp out to the edges, which could bring down production costs.

Classic S2/3 Cooke Speed Panchros are quite soft and flare easily. Shot wide open, they have a very diffused low-con filtered look. They have chromatic aberration and swirly bokeh. They can be quite warm and very pretty and forgiving on faces. This is the quality that Cooke will be trying to reproduce as faithfully as possible, while housing them with perfect modern mechanics made to the same high standards as their other lenses. Therefore, they will likely not be cheap.
 
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