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Contax Zeiss Survival Guide

An MM with ninja stars ? Wow. But the 60 years editions are maybe a bit special ! I thought that this rule would never be broken ;)
 
I did a quick comparison of various 50mm lenses, including a recent one, considered as one of the very best for a full frame camera, the Sony Zeiss 55mm F1.8 (ok ok it's NOT a 50mm, but close ;) :

Zeiss 50mm F1.7 MM
Zeiss 50mm F1.4 MM
Zeiss 35-70mm F3.4 MM

If we talk only about sharpness, wide open or closed a bit, the recent lens is clearly ahead. But when you close enough, it's a different story. By F5.6, and especially at F8, it's getting difficult to make the difference between them. Center, border or corner. They all seem equal in the center, it's really hard to make a difference. On the border, the F1.8 has a clear advantage wide open, the F1.4 seems very slightly better than the F1.7 around F4/5.6, and by F8, they are similar, with the zoom beating them and getting close to the 55mm.

In the corner, the 55mm starts ahead again, but the F1.7 is even better than the 55mm at F8. The F1.4 is a bit behind, and the zoom is sitting next to the 55mm.

So to summarize : the F1.7 deserves its reputation of sharpness : it can kinda equal the very recent 55mm around F8 ! The F1.4 is a bit soft wide open, but really gets better when closing, still a great value for the money, and a closer minimal focus distance. Finally, if you do mostly landscape photos, the famous little 35-70mm is really impressive. At F8, it would be hard to make a difference with any prime, except on other criteria like distortion of course. But its corner to corner sharpness is stunning. I didn't compare it with other primes at 35 and 70mm, but it seems to be very good, especially at 35mm. Pair it with the 100-300mm and the 21mm F2.8, and you have a stunning set for landscape images ! A full bag of primes with just 3 lenses.

(test made with just one sample, so the results could vary a bit with other copies...)


And just like that, a photo from the 100-300mm :
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I did a quick comparison of various 50mm lenses, including a recent one, considered as one of the very best for a full frame camera, the Sony Zeiss 55mm F1.8 (ok ok it's NOT a 50mm, but close ;) :

Zeiss 50mm F1.7 MM
Zeiss 50mm F1.4 MM
Zeiss 35-70mm F3.4 MM

If we talk only about sharpness, wide open or closed a bit, the recent lens is clearly ahead. But when you close enough, it's a different story. By F5.6, and especially at F8, it's getting difficult to make the difference between them. Center, border or corner. They all seem equal in the center, it's really hard to make a difference. On the border, the F1.8 has a clear advantage wide open, the F1.4 seems very slightly better than the F1.7 around F4/5.6, and by F8, they are similar, with the zoom beating them and getting close to the 55mm.

In the corner, the 55mm starts ahead again, but the F1.7 is even better than the 55mm at F8. The F1.4 is a bit behind, and the zoom is sitting next to the 55mm.

So to summarize : the F1.7 deserves its reputation of sharpness : it can kinda equal the very recent 55mm around F8 ! The F1.4 is a bit soft wide open, but really gets better when closing, still a great value for the money, and a closer minimal focus distance. Finally, if you do mostly landscape photos, the famous little 35-70mm is really impressive. At F8, it would be hard to make a difference with any prime, except on other criteria like distortion of course. But its corner to corner sharpness is stunning. I didn't compare it with other primes at 35 and 70mm, but it seems to be very good, especially at 35mm. Pair it with the 100-300mm and the 21mm F2.8, and you have a stunning set for landscape images ! A full bag of primes with just 3 lenses.

(test made with just one sample, so the results could vary a bit with other copies...)


And just like that, a photo from the 100-300mm :
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Thanks Francois! That cloud photo is STUNNING.
 
Wow!!!

The Grand Master of Contax has got it!!!

Man, you should really find some other hobbies! Impressed!!! :scared:

She's an MM. History... why Ninja?

Haha, that was a fun one! It's one of the only MM's I know with a Ninja Star (and that wide a filter thread), hence my educated guess.

You know I'm not sure why it has the Ninja Star, I have to be honest. I've wondered that myself. My guess is because the design predates MM, and they didn't want to change it. It's a stunning lens. Super sharp, even wide open. The bokeh is AMAZING too.
 
Thank you Nick. I still can't understand why I didn't buy a longer lens before ! I love sky photos, but I was using mostly wide angles. A long tele totally changes the feeling of it. This one feels like shot from a plane, and it was from my window ! APS-C sensor, tripod, it's really a great combo. Ha, we always keep learning, right?
 
Haha, that was a fun one! It's one of the only MM's I know with a Ninja Star (and that wide a filter thread), hence my educated guess.

You know I'm not sure why it has the Ninja Star, I have to be honest. I've wondered that myself. My guess is because the design predates MM, and they didn't want to change it. It's a stunning lens. Super sharp, even wide open. The bokeh is AMAZING too.

It's a planar right? They managed to make the bokeh very smooth ? That's not always the best quality of some of the Planars.
 
So I recently went to Japan (Osaka specifically) and went on kind of a giant Contax shopping spree. I found a tiny yet amazing store (forget the name) filled with Contax lenses at awesome prices and just couldn't help myself haha. I have a set of the "Supers" but don't have any of the "Standards" or zooms so that's what I went about buying for my collection. There was also the added advantage that I could inspect all of the lenses firsthand which you can't do off ebay.

Here's the haul:

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Listed out:

Contax Zeiss Distagon T* 25mm f/2.8 AE
Contax Zeiss Distagon T* 28mm f/2.8 MM
Contax Zeiss Distagon T* 35mm f/2.8 AE
Contax Zeiss Planar T* 50mm f/1.7 MM
Contax Zeiss Sonnar T* 85mm f/2.8 AE
Contax Zeiss Sonnar T* 100mm f/3.5 MM

Zooms (all MM):
Contax Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* 35-70mm f/3.4
Contax Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* 28-85mm f/3.3-4.0
Contax Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* 80-200mm f/4
Contax Zeiss Vario Sonnar T* 100-300 f/4.5-5.6

Was especially pleased with my 100-300mm as it's a later 8400635 serial number.
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With the help of my tour guide, I managed to bargain down and purchase all 10 of these lenses and a Contax RTS film camera (just to play around with) for around $3000 which is a lot cheaper than what I've found on eBay. Can't wait to test them out!
 
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Also just for fun, the owner gave me a 1997 Camera Catalog that listed prices for all the Contax Lenses from then (probably very similar to the one Nick used for his 2015 guide).

MM Lens Prices:
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[/url]SCAN0037 by Tony Yang, on Flickr[/IMG]

AE Lens Prices:
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[/url]SCAN0038 by Tony Yang, on Flickr[/IMG]

The second to last column lists the average price of a used lens. The last column is the original asking price for a new lens. (i.e the 21mm f/2.8 had a used price of 75,000 yen and a new price of 198,000 yen)

If you're curious about how much those prices would be in dollars. The conversion rate in 1997 was still roughly the same as it is today (1 USD = ~ 117 yen).

Interestingly enough, it looks like in 1997, the cost of the 35-135mm and 100-300mm zooms were even more expensive than the 21mm f/2.8
 
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I just got the email from KEH so I figured I'd pass it along - theres 20% off contax lenses until 11:59 EDT tonight with code MINCON08E.
 
I got the 80-200 from a local Craigslist for 50€ - in very good to mint condition - thats a good deal isnt it?
 
It's a planar right? They managed to make the bokeh very smooth ? That's not always the best quality of some of the Planars.

It's a planar, yup. The bokeh is great - still has some funk at the edges, but it just LOOKS great. It's my crew's favorite lens.
 
Also just for fun, the owner gave me a 1997 Camera Catalog that listed prices for all the Contax Lenses from then (probably very similar to the one Nick used for his 2015 guide).

MM Lens Prices:
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[/url]SCAN0037 by Tony Yang, on Flickr[/IMG]

AE Lens Prices:
36404478502_9fea1d6dde_h.jpg
[/url]SCAN0038 by Tony Yang, on Flickr[/IMG]

The second to last column lists the average price of a used lens. The last column is the original asking price for a new lens. (i.e the 21mm f/2.8 had a used price of 75,000 yen and a new price of 198,000 yen)

If you're curious about how much those prices would be in dollars. The conversion rate in 1997 was still roughly the same as it is today (1 USD = ~ 117 yen).

Interestingly enough, it looks like in 1997, the cost of the 35-135mm and 100-300mm zooms were even more expensive than the 21mm f/2.8

Tony, you got some amazing glass at a great price! And yup, I managed to get a couple of catalogs very similar to what you posted - that's when I first realized how EXPENSIVE some of the zooms were!!
 
Greets, Nick and the followers.

Whilst it is not C/Y lens, where's else the best place on Earth to ask for rare Zeiss lens data? :-)

So guys, have you ever heard of this late 1970-s Zeiss Oberkochen lens?

It is Oberkochen Opton Vario-So (Sonnar) 22-110mm f2 T2.7 zoom lens.

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Here I made the datasheet for this rare Vario-So (Sonnar), taken from NIKFI Lens Test Book of 1978th:

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Oberkochen Opton Vario-So 22-110mm f2 zoom lens data: resolution, vignetting, spectral transmission, image shift, CA, astigmatism and main optical data.
 
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Greets, Nick and the followers.

Whilst it is not C/Y lens, where's else the best place on Earth to ask for rare Zeiss lens data? :-)

So guys, have you ever heard of this late 1970-s Zeiss Oberkochen lens?

It is Oberkochen Opton Vario-So (Sonnar) 22-110mm f2 T2.7 zoom lens.

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38c137175b9beadbd752228be965bef9.JPG

Here I made the datasheet for this rare Vario-So (Sonnar), taken from NIKFI Lens Test Book of 1978th:

PQWPN3
Oberkochen Opton Vario-So 22-110mm f2 zoom lens data: resolution, vignetting, spectral transmission, image shift, CA, astigmatism and main optical data.

Wow - does that cover Super 35? Never heard of that!!
 
Me too, I was shocked with the f-stop regarding the range and the design era, other 5x zooms of the 1970s like Cooke Varotal, Lomo OPF18-1, Canon K-35 were f2.5 at best.

Well, not sure for super, but the paper says it t was made the cover regular sound film (22x16mm).
 
Greets, Nick and the followers.

Whilst it is not C/Y lens, where's else the best place on Earth to ask for rare Zeiss lens data? :-)

So guys, have you ever heard of this late 1970-s Zeiss Oberkochen lens?

It is Oberkochen Opton Vario-So (Sonnar) 22-110mm f2 T2.7 zoom lens.

bd1cde3cf557042e508dfac604f00261.JPG


38c137175b9beadbd752228be965bef9.JPG

Here I made the datasheet for this rare Vario-So (Sonnar), taken from NIKFI Lens Test Book of 1978th:

PQWPN3
Oberkochen Opton Vario-So 22-110mm f2 zoom lens data: resolution, vignetting, spectral transmission, image shift, CA, astigmatism and main optical data.

Where has this been hiding? I am surprised I never tripped over it in my old film days? Amazing!
 
So I've been playing around with the zooms I got while in Japan, and I am blown away! The 35-70mm f/3.4 and 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 in particular are unbelievably sharp and have amazing microcontrast! These were just some quick shots taken with my GH5, which I know is a MFT sensor and not the best for photographs, but the image quality is still pretty awesome.

100-300mm Wide Open at I think 300mm (interestingly enough, I took this shot of the bee handheld and without a tripod which is a testament to how good the stabilization on the GH5 is)
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Love the macro function on the 35-70mm:
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