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Ian Laurie

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Hi Everyone,
I will be completely honest. I am looking into creating my own company very very soon and i am looking at equipment. obviously like everyone else here the red kind of blows my mind. so here is my question to those of you that have one already. What are the short comings of the red one. I just want to know what you have run into that possess a problem for the camera. Now i know it may be hard to admit the camera has any failings, cause i certainly think it looks incredible, but i just want an truthful honest answer. I already know the competition and their failings, but making a decision like this when you are getting ready to make a business proposal is serious when other peoples money becomes involved. So Please help me out and be completely honest. thank you so much,
The canuck
 
For the money

For the money

There is no better camera for the money period. It has the same problems any other camera will have from a HVX to a Viper. I suggest renting a camera shooting alot of tests take them through post and make your own choice. Nothing you read on the boards should sway you one way or another even my first statment that there is no camera better for the money...... Just my 2 cents....

JSTL:shiftyph34r:
 
Look into the rolling shutter issue. Seems to be the only thing that can really hamstring you in certain situations. Other probs abound, but you can get around 'em.

Other than that - IT'S GOLD, JERRY!
 
Im not to concerned with the rolling shudder problem as i am considering going with LED lighting. the one benefit of starting at ground zero... you can build your setup to conform from the get go. thanks so much guys. If anyone else has any info please post. (don't worry about the whole infrared issue as i have red through all 20 pages of that post.)
 
Workflow.

Download .R3D's, edit them, play with them, finish a mock project or 5. When you're comfortable getting to the point where you could guide a potential client through, or confident enough to offer to do it for them, then make your reservation. It's not a problem if you understand it and the time/software/hardware required to use the footage you shoot.
 
I think MrDorf speaks words of wisdom!

Also, I'd recommend trying various lighting possibilities before spending a lot on LED lighting. Right now I think LEDs give you the least bang (light) for the buck, and since it's narrow-spectrum light it may not do good things when you need subtlety and accuracy on skin tones, etc.
 
It very much depends on what kind of productions you want to do and how you want to use the camera. If you are coming from a HVX / HDV world then be in for a surprise because with everything attached it quickly turns into a heavy camera that needs two people to set up and operate. Not something for a run and gun documentary for instance.
 
Also don't forget that there ARE a lot of technical issues that are being reported on this site, and the people at RED are listening to us and fixing the problems!
 
"Not something for a run and gun documentary for instance." Depends on your back ground... Well, with serious forethought and previous experience with much bigger rigs... yes it is very possible and we have dozens of great examples all over this board. I will be showing examples of just that... bending genres and styles using one op in the next coming months.

Now... with all due respect to Mr. Kamp in Bangkok and the even more oppressive humidity there than here in most of the deep south in the States (sans parts of Louisiana and Florida) he has a very valid point that is true to him-- damn right I would have another person to help. High Heat and humidity really sap it out of you during a long shoot.

Just saying for many genres there are many ways to skin a cat. We just have a great new tool to adapt to OUR various needs... who is to say..,"No you cannot do that!' Try it, make mistakes (referring to experimenting on one's own time) then repeat.

Just a thought... based on what I can do (Though I am not in Bangkok... Respect to Sander)
 
Haha yes. It is really hot and humid here right now and I am quite happy to have some Thai guys carrying my camera around (hey, they are happy to do it and better used to the heat!).

I was comparing the set-up to a HDV kind of camera but I guess that's just my experience there. I guess compared to 35mm it is actually lighter and easier to handle and with the right crew it would be possible to do documentaries. But maybe Canada can chime in to tell is what his background is.

Looking forward to your examples Andrew!
 
Haha very interesting posts guys, No i am not coming from the hdv background. i am actually just getting ready to leave the motion picture arts program at my college. I have a fantastic understanding of hardware / software, particularly final cut studio2 and the camera i am used to using is a panasonic sdx 900. but being in the location i am in in canada there really would be zero competition for me as far as work goes. i am looking at doing commercials to begin with then move up to independant features. oh and humidity is not a problem as the area i live in is classified as desert.
 
Canada,

Get yourself to the NAB this year and immerse your self in the RED, and compare other options.

After 5 days taking it all in you will know if this is the right move for you!

Dave
 
NAB huh? well as much as i would LOVE to, I haven't the money to go to vegas, which sounds like an oxymoron when i am looking at the red i know. But that is where business financing comes in. i will however be keeping a close eye on the events over this wonderful intertube. Also curious about the scarlett but seen as it is not meant to compete with the red and it says pocket in the title i am pretty sure it won't meet waht i am looking for. on a more serious note, I have definitely compared with other cameras though. It seems to be rather difficult to compare for a features price though. i mean the red has astounding capabilities with a 1" sensor but a third or less the price. the only thing that the other companies have over on red is well reputation. but judging by the stuff i am hearing on these boards, and the fact that RED and other companies like pancros have been watching and posting on this board gives me confidence that they are keeping things open and working to fix, which is way better than reputation in my opinion. as for the LED lights like i said i am just thinking about it. i am also looking at maybe a set arri's so i will concentrate more on it when that time comes.
 
If you are going to go into rentals - determine what your client base will be and what they are expecting when they rent gear. With the RED the lenses and support gear will become the big issue for rentals. Who is going to support your gear if something breaks down? Can your market afford the RED and the accessories needed to make nice pictures? Make sure you think through all the toys you will need to make a full package for yourself and your clients out there in the Canadian desert...
 
Desert in Canada?

Wow :w00t:

I've been in a lot of deserts in my time.

The Sahara, The Mohave, The Sonora, The Sakhara . . . . Asps, Rattles Snakes, Scorpions, Sand, Heat, Heat and more Heat!

I know that technically deserts do not necessarily need to be in a "hot" environment, but I just never figured CANADA as being famous for it's deserts.

Goes to show you that you learn something new everyday.

Cool :blink:
 
steadijim said:
If you are going to go into rentals - determine what your client base will be and what they are expecting when they rent gear. With the RED the lenses and support gear will become the big issue for rentals. Who is going to support your gear if something breaks down? Can your market afford the RED and the accessories needed to make nice pictures? Make sure you think through all the toys you will need to make a full package for yourself and your clients out there in the Canadian desert...
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i am not looking to rent it out, that would be far to much of a headache for me. I am looking to use it for my productions only. I am also the editor so basically they come to me tell me what they want and i make it and hand them the deliverables. thanks though. i have spent the last month pricing out every way i could.
 
Erasmus said:
Desert in Canada?

Wow :w00t:

I've been in a lot of deserts in my time.

The Sahara, The Mohave, The Sonora, The Sakhara . . . . Asps, Rattles Snakes, Scorpions, Sand, Heat, Heat and more Heat!

I know that technically deserts do not necessarily need to be in a "hot" environment, but I just never figured CANADA as being famous for it's deserts.

Goes to show you that you learn something new everyday.

Cool :blink:
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Yeah i was actually shocked to find that out myself. but indeed rattle snakes, cactuses, scorpions, all reside here and suprisingly in the summer in this "Sunniest city in Canada" it is very dry and quite hot. Its called Medicine Hat and yes amazingly it is technically desert. although the cacti are not like the ones in movies, they are just small ones that stick close to the ground.

Edit: check out drumheller and you will get a good idea. dinos for crying out loud. but yeah canada is typically mountains forests and snow.
 
Erasmus said:
Desert in Canada?

Wow :w00t:

I've been in a lot of deserts in my time.

The Sahara, The Mohave, The Sonora, The Sakhara . . . . Asps, Rattles Snakes, Scorpions, Sand, Heat, Heat and more Heat!

I know that technically deserts do not necessarily need to be in a "hot" environment, but I just never figured CANADA as being famous for it's deserts.

Goes to show you that you learn something new everyday.

Cool :blink:
Click to expand...

Yeah i was actually shocked to find that out myself. but indeed rattle snakes, cactuses, scorpions, all reside here and suprisingly in the summer in this "Sunniest city in Canada" it is very dry and quite hot. Its called Medicine Hat and yes amazingly it is technically desert. although the cacti are not like the ones in movies, they are just small ones that stick close to the ground.
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