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Comparison of NVIDIA Quadro 4000 and GTX 570

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Hi,
Just wonder which is faster if I use two NVIDIA Quadro 4000 cards or if I just use one NVIDIA GTX 570 on MacPro for Resolve ?

Thank you
 
GTX 570 is not supported on Mac Pro is it? Only GTX285 and Quadro 4000 for Mac are supported for Cuda.
 
GTX570 is not officially supported, but actually has full driver support under Mountain Lion. It does everything except provide EFI graphics support, meaning you don't see the Apple logo boot screen and you can't do EFI / pre-OS boot operations, like choose which volume to boot into by holding down the option key on start-up. Works great in the OS.

As far as speed goes, two Quadro 4000 cards will be faster in Resolve for node calculations, but come at nearly 4X the price. Not only that, they consume an additional slot and Resolve is one of only three apps on OSX that can utilize multiple GPUs for CUDA or OpenGL acceleration. IMO, you're much better off to go with the GTX570 as it will provide greater acceleration in a single-card solution and will have more to provide to Adobe Premiere and several other applications. OpenGL performance between the two cards is very similar, the 570 is about 60% faster for CUDA calculations and has nearly twice as many cores and nearly double the memory bandwidth.

Other than the EFI limitations mentioned above, the other drawbacks to using the GTX570, or other unofficially supported cards, is that at this time you must move to OSX Mountain Lion if you have not done so already in order to get the best support. And there is no guaranty moving forward that the current level of support will be present in future OSX updates.
 
Already bought the 4000. No choice. Have to stick with it. I have a 5770, a Red Rocket card and an ATTO card for mini SAS. What do you suggest as placement in the PCI lanes of a current Mac Pro Jeff ?
 
Adam Welch said:
What other applications can utilize multiple GPUs?
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AfterEffects can use more than one OpenGL card for accelerating its raytracing engine for 3D titles/ FX. Maya / MentalImages MentalRay can also use multiple OpenGL cards for GPU assisted rendering. Some applications also support nVidia's "Maximus" which essentially spans CUDA across two GPUs. Adobe Premiere does support this, but only with official "Maximus" configurations -- typically a Quadro card paired with a second Quadro or Tesla card.


Victor MOREIRA said:
Already bought the 4000. No choice. Have to stick with it. I have a 5770, a Red Rocket card and an ATTO card for mini SAS. What do you suggest as placement in the PCI lanes of a current Mac Pro Jeff ?
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The 5770 will have to go in slot-1 (bottom slot) as it's a double-width card. Next up the ladder is slot-2 and it is also an X16 slot like number 1. So you have a choice here, I would recommend placing the RED Rocket in this slot. That way it can operate at full speed. Slot-3 would be the Quadro 4000 and slot-4 on top would be the ATTO card.

If you don't need two GPUs, then dump the 5770 and install the Quadro 4000 in slot 1.

Some other considerations here, you only have two 6-pin PCIe power connectors for your graphics cards. You will need a splitter or other way to pull power to supply both of those graphics cards in the system. If you are running Resolve 9, I would suggest only running with the Quadro 4000. Resolve 9 no longer has the dual GPU requirement and this will also simplify acceleration for Adobe CS6. IF the Quadro 4000 is only being used to accelerate Resolve, then it will do fine in slot 3 or 4.
 
Hi Jeff.
I looked at GTX570, there are quite a few versions like Ultra C and charged. Which one do you recommend?
I have a MP 3.1, 2008 with a 5770 already installed
 
Interesting thread even if I'm a bit lost with these slot allocation stories...
I guess I need some help with that.
I have a mid 2012 Mac Pro 2 x 6 at 2,4GHz.
For now, my ATI Radeon 5770 is in the slot 1.
I planned to install in slot 1 the NVIDIA 4000 and move the 5770 in the slot 2 then to have the Red Rocket in the 3.
Should I leave the 5770 where it is right now, put the Rocket in the 2 and install the NVIDIA 4000 in the 3?
 
ATI 5770 is two slots wide and takes both available PCIe power connectors. The only double-wide slot is #1, the bottom one. If you move the 5770 to slot-2, it will cover up slot-3.

Leave the 5770 in slot 1. You now have a choice. The Rocket and the Quadro 4000 can only run at full bandwidth if they're in slots 1 or 2. I'm assuming that you will continue using the 5770 for driving your displays and the 4000 will only be for CUDA compute. If that's true, put the Rocket in Slot 2 and the 4000 in slot 3 or 4. CUDA compute isn't as bandwidth critical as what the Rocket will be doing.

The only advantage to the Quadro 4000 right now is that it's a single slot wide and takes one power connector. 5770 is two slots wide and takes one power connector.

Personally, in a 2012 Mac Pro, I would not use the Qudro 4000 now. I would replace the 5770 with a new Quadro K5000 and be done. One card and it will run Premiere, Resolve and FCPX faster than the 5770 or Quadro 4000. The GTX570 or GTX680 are also options at this time. Cheaper, but still not officially supported cards. K5000 Mac Edition only started shipping last week. About $1800 street price here in USA. 2.5X more expensive than the Quadro 4000 :(
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
ATI 5770 is two slots wide and takes both available PCIe power connectors. The only double-wide slot is #1, the bottom one. If you move the 5770 to slot-2, it will cover up slot-3.

Leave the 5770 in slot 1. You now have a choice. The Rocket and the Quadro 4000 can only run at full bandwidth if they're in slots 1 or 2. I'm assuming that you will continue using the 5770 for driving your displays and the 4000 will only be for CUDA compute. If that's true, put the Rocket in Slot 2 and the 4000 in slot 3 or 4. CUDA compute isn't as bandwidth critical as what the Rocket will be doing.

The only advantage to the Quadro 4000 right now is that it's a single slot wide and takes one power connector. 5770 is two slots wide and takes one power connector.

Personally, in a 2012 Mac Pro, I would not use the Qudro 4000 now. I would replace the 5770 with a new Quadro K5000 and be done. One card and it will run Premiere, Resolve and FCPX faster than the 5770 or Quadro 4000. The GTX570 or GTX680 are also options at this time. Cheaper, but still not officially supported cards. K5000 Mac Edition only started shipping last week. About $1800 street price here in USA. 2.5X more expensive than the Quadro 4000 :(
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You're right Jeff, I planed to use the 4000 only for CUDA.

I didn't think at all about using the KS500... That's an expensive one but if results are better, I guess I won't regret it.

Thanks a lot for your help.
 
If I can tag along on this thread... I currently have:

Slot 01: ATI 5870 1gb
Slot 02: Cyclone Card

In the Chassis: GTX 570 2.5gb & Quadro 4000 2gb

I happen to have another Quadro 4000 in a box. Should I swap the Quadro with the ATI? Should I change any of the placements?

Running Resolve and Premier mostly.

Thanks!
CB
 
Damn... The listed price for K5000 Mac Edition is 2300€ in Europe... definitely too expensive for me...
Jeff, if I can't afford it, I might keep the 5770, what would be my other option?
 
vincent kardasik said:
Damn... The listed price for K5000 Mac Edition is 2300€ in Europe... definitely too expensive for me...
Jeff, if I can't afford it, I might keep the 5770, what would be my other option?
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Replace the 5770 with a GTX570 or a GTX680. The GTX570 seems to be a better fit, although becoming harder to find. Both are similar in performance for CUDA. You can typically find the GTX570 that has a flashed EFI ROM on it to make it more Mac compatible, meaning it will show the boot screen, work for boot-camp menus or start-up drive selector and other things. The EFI modded versions also seem to play better for power management and other things, if done right. That's a big "if".
 
Christopher Barrett said:
If I can tag along on this thread... I currently have:

Slot 01: ATI 5870 1gb
Slot 02: Cyclone Card

In the Chassis: GTX 570 2.5gb & Quadro 4000 2gb

I happen to have another Quadro 4000 in a box. Should I swap the Quadro with the ATI? Should I change any of the placements?

Running Resolve and Premier mostly.

Thanks!
CB
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Hmmm... Swapping the 5870 for the Quadro won't gain you anything for Resolve performance since you already have two active GPUs. The ATI 5870 is a better card for OpenCL (FCPX acceleration) than the Quadro 4000. The GTX570 is the superior card in terms of performance amongst those present, but you run into the issues of unofficial support for primary GUI use.

So I guess my question is this... Does the setup work fine as it is right now? If yes, then sell that extra Quadro, maybe both Quadros, and put another GTX570 or two in your Cyclone. Does Premiere utilize the CUDA from the GTX570 card? I've had lots of difficulties getting CUDA working in Premiere with an ATI card as GUI.
 
Yeah, everything seems to run fine. The only thing I can tell about CUDA with the ATI at GUI is "Mercury Playback Engine GPU Acceleration (CUDA)" is always available from the Project Settings pulldown... so I guess I'm good.

Thanks for your thoughts!
CB
 
Sorry to hijack, but I just got a quadro in my Mac Pro. I also have the original card. I run one monitor off each card. Is it better to run both monitors of the original card and leave the quadro "clean"?
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Replace the 5770 with a GTX570 or a GTX680. The GTX570 seems to be a better fit, although becoming harder to find. Both are similar in performance for CUDA. You can typically find the GTX570 that has a flashed EFI ROM on it to make it more Mac compatible, meaning it will show the boot screen, work for boot-camp menus or start-up drive selector and other things. The EFI modded versions also seem to play better for power management and other things, if done right. That's a big "if".
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Thanks a lot for your advices Jeff! Your replies definitely help me a lot.
 
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