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Color in the Classics

Wow - what a great resource!

Thank you -
 
sounds like a noobish question, i know >.> , but is there a way to dial in these colors into lets say resolve or speedgrade, like a LUT or something, to "instantly" get a similar look? Shouldnt that information be super helpful to greate a specific look in no time and simply be used as a filter or something? Talkin bout RAW footage here.
 
And gee, just imagine - these looks were actually accomplished with things like production design, lighting, and photochemical film timing, without the use of any digital intermediate techniques, and without computers.

Getting it in camera - what a concept!
 
M Most said:
And gee, just imagine - these looks were actually accomplished with things like production design, lighting, and photochemical film timing, without the use of any digital intermediate techniques, and without computers.

Getting it in camera - what a concept!
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For the 1st part of the list, but Skyfall probably had a few computers involved.....
 
well obviously lotsa prod design etc went into these (just check antonioni and what he done on red desert. . . ) but i aint talkin bout that i am all about the color, how it is interpreted. There are a few "mods" to get your raw images into kodachrom looking pics and many tried for video just as well and some came close. What i mean is should there be a way to implemet the information given on that website, to accomplish "looks" much faster/easier?

though obvioulsy one who has the knowledge could simply analyze the original and use the direct info there. . .
 
John Johnson said:
sounds like a noobish question, i know >.> , but is there a way to dial in these colors into lets say resolve or speedgrade, like a LUT or something, to "instantly" get a similar look? Shouldnt that information be super helpful to greate a specific look in no time and simply be used as a filter or something? Talkin bout RAW footage here.
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No noobish question at all, in fact, your question is worth a million dollars, because is what I am trying to do for sometime now, and I got the whole thing almost figured it out..

Stay tuned..
 
Nice, Just ordered a book on color theory called "If it's purple someone's gonna die". Some great examples here.
 
Pablo Moreno said:
No noobish question at all, in fact, your question is worth a million dollars, because is what I am trying to do for sometime now, and I got the whole thing almost figured it out..

Stay tuned..
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lookin forward to it!
 
Pablo Moreno said:
No noobish question at all, in fact, your question is worth a million dollars, because is what I am trying to do for sometime now, and I got the whole thing almost figured it out..

Stay tuned..
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Pablo Moreno said:
No noobish question at all, in fact, your question is worth a million dollars, because is what I am trying to do for sometime now, and I got the whole thing almost figured it out..

Stay tuned..
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this for real? Man this would be so friggin. . . i dont know what to say. . . because people keep saying the same stuff again and again... "production design..." dude, I know there are lotsa new people on such boards who dont know bout these things but reduser is mostly pro and stating the obvious is kinda. . . mean ^^ because its like moking someone. . . i can tell ya "check Le fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain by jeunet or il deserto rosso by antonioni to get an idea..." we mostly know it aint just stock or cc. . . but stock or cc makes a huge friggin difference. . . you know how many NATURAL shots there are in these classics on that link the OP posted. . . they are mostly untouched by the prod design guys but still got this distinct look to them. . . just type in kodachrome and look at these pictures made by noobs but still got this gorgeous color. . . ya wont get a look like "paris, texas" by just dialing in a few numbers. . . but you can get close enough to make a difference. . .

anyone looking for more info on color and stock and stuff like that check the following:

http://sensesofcinema.com/2009/feat...ome-limits-of-technicolor-the-antonioni-case/ great info on those looking for more info on technicolor (man i friggin LOVE technicolor . . .)

and this one. . . :
http://www.theasc.com/magazine/jan05/aviator/page1.html

knock yourself out. . . ^^

i love color science and would KILL to be better at dealing with it, pushing it to a level where i can feel i done more than "adding a filter to make it look more 'cinematic' . . ." know what i mean?

and if you (pablo) get us closer. . . man you'll be "THE man", ma personal hero :D

and Noeol, I got this book here "if it's purple someone'S gonna die" and hear lotsa great stuff bout it but havent begun reading it (have a shitload of stuff to deal with right now -.-) I also recomend going into the photography and painting world for color sciences, these guys are older than us filmmakers and many legendary cinematographers tell ya to go check them painters out (which is probably the first tip anyone hears and nothing new. . . but anyway ^^)

I would LOVE to hear about a book or two that could help studying color (generally speaking, not a "how to use resolve, or any other cc software", know what i mean?

Pablo Moreno, you HAVE to keep us updated on your experiments, hopefully it'll be something that can be easily reproduced. Imagine a database of some sorta LUT's for all sorts of looks, kinda like the link by the OP, where you can chose the look and then finetune it. I bet ma right nut, people would be even willing to pay some nice money for it, ya know, if it becomes this HUGE database with 1000 different "looks". . . though if ya go "free" then you truly will be a "hero" for many people :D
And yeah. . . i heared bout those who sell software that does something like that for kodachrome and a few other looks (16mm 8mm and all the grain filters etc) . . . nothing new, but this we are talking bout here is a whole different thing. . .

I imagine a "magical" software that analyzes the image it is feeded, then calculates the colors and gives you an algorithm to use on your images to reproduce the look. . . that would make me creem my pants all day and night just thinking bout it. . .
lol wishful thinking. . .
 
John Johnson said:
... people keep saying the same stuff again and again... "production design..." dude, I know there are lotsa new people on such boards who dont know bout these things but reduser is mostly pro and stating the obvious is kinda. . . mean ^^ because its like moking someone. . . .
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You seem to have missed my point. My point was that color palettes and "looks" that even modern viewers seem to admire were made long before the invention of electronic manipulation, computers, and digital imagery in general. I was pointing out the irony in people trying to emulate things that were created years ago with much simpler tools and much simpler approaches, but with a thorough understanding of art and color theory.

I would LOVE to hear about a book or two that could help studying color (generally speaking, not a "how to use resolve, or any other cc software", know what i mean?
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If you want something that's film specific, you might want to look at Vittorio Storaro's book "Writing With Light." Or the aforementioned "If It's Purple Someone's Gonna Die," which is available on Amazon. Other than that, a Google search on "color theory" will turn up lots of resources.
 
M Most said:
You seem to have missed my point. My point was that color palettes and "looks" that even modern viewers seem to admire were made long before the invention of electronic manipulation, computers, and digital imagery in general. I was pointing out the irony in people trying to emulate things that were created years ago with much simpler tools and much simpler approaches, but with a thorough understanding of art and color theory.



If you want something that's film specific, you might want to look at Vittorio Storaro's book "Writing With Light." Or the aforementioned "If It's Purple Someone's Gonna Die," which is available on Amazon. Other than that, a Google search on "color theory" will turn up lots of resources.
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Well maybe its because i read too many of these "production design -.- " posts, that I kinda took at as one of these. . . lol sorry for that. And yeah, i totally agree that it is "full of irony" that today with easier, more sofisticated tech, people try to emulate that past. . . guess that nostalgia for ya ^^ just look at all these "I WANT MOAR FLARES" people ^^ (i love flares btw ^^)
In a Craft truck interview, Gordon Willis said something along the lines of "cinematographers are always kinda 20 years behind tech... when they master silent, talkies crash the scene. . . they master b/w, color goes big. . . same with 3d today"
Well these guys really did unbelievable work with color back in the 60s+ technicolor + cinemascope. . . could print each frame and hang it on a wall with a fancy "quote" ^^
Not that there is anything wrong with todays cinematographers. . . though deakin, richardson, lubezki arnt exactly "today's cinematographers". . . but then again, it depends on how you define "todays". With cinematographer, they go "prime" in the late 40s to 50s, where as directors are around 30-late-40 . . . (in my book)

I heared bout Storaros books, he got a few "voliums" if i remeber correctly, but unfortuantly way outside my budget when it comes to "prices for books" . . . it must be a killer "keep it for life" and "full of inspiration" kinda book for me to invest 300$ in a book. . .

the "if it's purple..." is more my budget ^^.

There are soo many books on directing, acting, producing etc even lots bout cinematography and there are lots that are really good, especially for someone to get a general idea on all these, as a starting point. But color for filmwork is kinda rare (in books) :/ . there are MANY books on SFX as well. . . but i guess color is a topic that has been talked about by painters for ages that filmmakes dont exactly have something new to teach about that isnt already in the old books. . . just gotta find which old books to read. . .
 
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