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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

CineForm Prospect 4K now in beta.

Having Prospect 2K license, is tProspect 4K a trial version or will it run under my existing license?
 
Hello David,

I have been holding off on installing the Prospect trial as I want to have the option of purchasing the actual finished product at the end of the trial period if I decide to go that direction. Do you have an ETA on the finished product yet? I want to time it so that I don't have any down time between the trial's expiration and the ability to obtain the finished product.
 
That is fair. Other than 4K exports from Premiere Pro 4K, it is very close to being ready, however we interested in beta testing feedback. We will rollout trial extensions if the release version is not ready. We have all ready done that with NEO 4K.
 
Thanks David,

Perfect! I will start testing immediately and will be happy to provide feed back. Where is the best place to provide any notes we come up with? This forum or another? I am not as interested in 4k exports for now, my main interest is 4k acquired material, processed through RedCine and finished in 2k and 1080 on CS3 while maintaining 4:4:4 color space.

Thanks!

Kevin
 
khmuse said:
Thanks David,

Perfect! I will start testing immediately and will be happy to provide feed back. Where is the best place to provide any notes we come up with? This forum or another? I am not as interested in 4k exports for now, my main interest is 4k acquired material, processed through RedCine and finished in 2k and 1080 on CS3 while maintaining 4:4:4 color space.

Thanks!

Kevin
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If you are planning to downsample to 2K in RedCine, then Prospect2K is all that is required, but if you are going to wait until after the edit to downres, then obviously you will need the full capability of Prospect4K. Also, I believe the trial expiration will only apply to encoding, so you should be able to playback and edit the files during any "downtime" if the trial expires, you just won't be able to process out of RedCine, or export to Cineform out of PPro/AE.
 
McCarthyTech said:
If you are planning to downsample to 2K in RedCine, then Prospect2K is all that is required, but if you are going to wait until after the edit to downres, then obviously you will need the full capability of Prospect4K. Also, I believe the trial expiration will only apply to encoding, so you should be able to playback and edit the files during any "downtime" if the trial expires, you just won't be able to process out of RedCine, or export to Cineform out of PPro/AE.
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You down-res to 2K in RedCine now, so yes you can then use a NEO 2K or Prospect 2K license. It is true that the decoding never expires in the trial versions, however all the real-time pipeline expires in Prospect 2K/4K, so to continue editing you need to import the Prospect project into a desktop editing mode. Or purchase a full license. Note: Decoding in tools like AE are not impacted in any way.
 
David Newman said:
Lauri,

Prospect 4K is a different license with a 15-day trial. I expect there I will be a $500 upgrade from P2K when P4K is released if you are interested.
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Does this mean that P4K for new clients will be almost 2,000 USD per license?
 
CS3 is a great suite, can't recommend it highly enough.
 
I can't say that I have extensive experience with the other options from Apple and AVID, but I have always been an Adobe guy and felt no reason to switch. It is the most versatile toolset of the three, but admittedly it doesn't have every single capability that the others have. It supports every format in one way or another through Matrox, Cineform, etc. and good performance even at high resolutions. Those don't all necessarily apply to the new OSX version, but it is getting there.
 
The one advantage Premiere Pro has while being the complete underdog for high-end TV and film production, is Adobe's openess to work with partners. Imagine After Effects without it effects API. Premeire is similarly expandable, allowing third-parties like CineForm to mold the Adobe products in new directions.
 
Hello Rudi,

I did see your post based upon your conversation with Mike Most, it made for a good read. However, I don't completely agree that one is 'forced' to use FCS for RED originated footage. We are planning a workflow for an upcoming pilot/episodic based upon:

RED -> SCRATCH -> CS3 -> SCRATCH -> D5 VTR

Were not fully tested yet, but so far, it is looking reasonable. How CineForm will fit in is still to be determined as we are just beginning to work with the beta. The investment made in learning Adobe products and the integration across their products is too important to discard.

Kevin
 
Kevin,

Thanks for your reply. Of course, one is never truly "forced" to do anything, but right now, a logical and intuitive flow as there is with FCP cannot be had with Premiere. Or can it? Maybe the Cineform solution works like a charm and once you rewrap the .r3d files onto Cineform ones, then that's it, I'd be on a path where I'm both comfortable and effective. So please keep us posted on your progress as it'd be very important for us Adobe users.

Thanks again,
 
I am wanting to try it out too but have been working with CineForm's support about an installation issue. Hope to get through it and get down to some real testing within the next few days.
 
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