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Charlton Heston Dies at 84

muroshi said:
And I would ask if that's a very bright right if I look at murder numbers in your country.
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The right to protect ones family and ones self is a natural right.

There are wolves in society, and there are the sheep.

And then there are the sheepdogs.

The fact that you lump in those who chose to defend themselves in with those who chose to commit crimes is very telling of the basis for your argument.
 
karapetkov said:
What a great speech...

Is it included in the autobiographical book of Heston?

You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely.

That's all that people really have.

Guns, dollars and cadillacs are just a consequence.

Disobeying got humans out of the caves and into the skies.

But if you do disobey, you'll be taken for mentally deranged. History proves that.

Anywhere...

It is sad that if a person or people don't constantly fight for their freedom, they're bound to lose it. Any person and any nation.

I'm even sadder, cause I'm a member of a nation which never had democracy (only imitations!) and I don't see it happening any time soon.

If you don't fight, you'll be enslaved.

Sad.

I'd prefer to live in peace, if I can.

But can I?..
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Karapetkov...(not your real nom?) Thank goodness you can speak your mind here at REDuser.net!:whistling:
 
You may have a higher percentage, but that's because you have a lower total population.
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of course percentage. they don't life on the same spot, do they? it's 20.6 percent.

Also, I'm wondering about the fact that most households in Switzerland have guns in the house, but the gun crime rate is so low (and I believe over 60% of the gun crime rate is with illegal weapons.)
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this has more to do with our I assume less violent mentality that there isn't happening more. but if something happens it's mostly waponery from the military. there is a strong relationship between the number of accesible rifles and snap-outs. everyone who attends the army takes his rifle home currently (therefore the high rate), this will change due to public pressure, because of all murders and also suicides with army rifles. but it points out the strong relationship between availability and homocides. of course in the usa it's even more delicate. I don't have a problem if someone can store his rifles properly, but people do snap out, it happens and nobody checks how responsible they are. and if anyone can walk in a store to get a rifle I think that's a problem. yeah.
 
The right to protect ones family and ones self is a natural right.

There are wolves in society, and there are the sheep.

And then there are the sheepdogs.

The fact that you lump in those who chose to defend themselves in with those who chose to commit crimes is very telling of the basis for your argument.
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So what's wrong with the system if you have to protect your family?

I can go to the park at night without any fear or waponery. why selling everyone a wapon then? in order to lead a life in fear?

of course the seperation of defenders and criminals is a very black and white one. there are many tragedies that don't fit in this mindset.
 
muroshi said:
So what's wrong with the system if you have to protect your family?

I can go to the park at night without any fear or waponery. why selling everyone a wapon then? in order to lead a life in fear?

of course the seperation of defenders and criminals is a very black and white one. there are many tragedies that don't fit in this mindset.
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Muroshi, you live in the best country in the world and we in the U.S. live in the worst one. Now, let us mourn the passing of one of the best of us low-life Americans... please.
 
mcgeedigital said:
The right to protect ones family and ones self is a natural right.

There are wolves in society, and there are the sheep.

And then there are the sheepdogs.

The fact that you lump in those who chose to defend themselves in with those who chose to commit crimes is very telling of the basis for your argument.
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"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein.

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein

Ben Hur, El Cid, Moses...absolute classics.
 
number6 said:
Karapetkov...(not your real nom?) Thank goodness you can speak your mind here at REDuser.net!:whistling:
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It is my name. :)

You think I'm a kind of spy, operating in reduser under fake name. That's an interesting story premise ;).

I'm not a spy yet, but I'll be one, when I GET my RED.

I'll be spying on the savagery of the surrounding world with my newly opened Third (4K) Eye of justice :).

OK, you're having fun of me, but these are serious issues.

And things are still pretty much under control here, despite the apparent euro-atlantic integration of my motherland.
 
karapetkov said:
It is my name. :)
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:) No, I thought you might be worried the "authorities" in your country may be monitoring what you are saying here. Knowing your highly refined sense of humor I thought you would appreciate that.:biggrin:
 
Great actor.
 
Muroshi, you live in the best country in the world and we in the U.S. live in the worst one. Now, let us mourn the passing of one of the best of us low-life Americans... please.
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It's not and that wasn't the point. :)
 
muroshi said:
So what's wrong with the system if you have to protect your family?

I can go to the park at night without any fear or waponery. why selling everyone a wapon then? in order to lead a life in fear?

of course the seperation of defenders and criminals is a very black and white one. there are many tragedies that don't fit in this mindset.
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There are a number of factors that cause the problem of violence. Availability of guns is not one of those factors. Unfortunately, the subject is so extensive that it doesn't lend itself to quick sound bites. It would take quite a bit of time to detail the actual causes of violence at a level of detail that would make a persuasive presentation. However, you may be assured that there is a lot of effective work being done to address these causes.

I understand the scenario that you envision -- it's just not a reality. If one area has more violence than another area, the cause is not the amount of guns in the respective areas. One of the funniest parts of Michael Moore's film on the Columbine shootings was when he went to Canada and interviewed people there about safety in the community vs. ownership of guns. He found that the Canadians had a high rate of gun ownership coupled with low crime, the exact opposite of what anti-gun advocates claim should be the case. Also, in the US, violence rates decline when gun ownership restrictions are relaxed.

The US was founded on the principle that all persons are equal. That includes having an equal right to self defense. If you want to pick on the US, there are plenty of valid issues you could take up. Gun rights is not one of them.
 
number6 said:
:) No, I thought you might be worried the "authorities" in your country may be monitoring what you are saying here. Knowing your highly refined sense of humor I thought you would appreciate that.:biggrin:
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Aah. Now I got it.

My English understanding is not that deep yet.

You know, they probably are. I think this forum attracts a lot of eyes.

Legally, they can't do anything to me now. We're supposed to be a "democracy".

But, you know.. some doors might be shut.

I don't care.

highly refined sense of humor
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Gee, thanks. I'm do my best. :bleh:

Gotta get that autobiography of Heston.

Great guy, I bet he's having fun in Heaven now.
 
number6 said:
:) No, I thought you might be worried the "authorities" in your country may be monitoring what you are saying here. Knowing your highly refined sense of humor I thought you would appreciate that.:biggrin:
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what kind of world you live there gun lovers?..

for those still living before the fall of the berlin wall.. bulgaria is member of the european union.. got it?.. :mail1: europe = allies.. no more a comunist country.. since almost 20 years ago..
 
filmmaker's gang said:
what kind of world you live there gun lovers?..

for those still living before the fall of the berlin wall.. bulgaria is member of the european union.. got it?.. :mail1: europe = allies.. no more a comunist country.. since almost 20 years ago..
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Karapetkov! I think I found the "authoritarian mole" who's been spying on you. I thought our posts would smoke him out. :detective2:
 
number6 said:
Karapetkov! I think I found the "authoritarian mole" who's been spying on you. I thought our posts would smoke him out. :detective2:
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i can't follow your humor.. too much for my taste.. reminds me that another post.. your post.. already.. smoke out?
 
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