Canon C500 Mark II

[Timothy Jones]

Too funny that Red is taking advantage of the RF mount on the Komodo, but canon isn't with their new camera. I do not understand the lack of RF mount.

 

[Phil Holland]

Too funny that Red is taking advantage of the RF mount on the Komodo, but canon isn't with their new camera. I do not understand the lack of RF mount.

Their internal ND mechanism seems to be the culprit.


A little surprised on the pricing of the Lens Mounts, but so it is.

 

[L. Langer]

Too funny that Red is taking advantage of the RF mount on the Komodo, but canon isn't with their new camera. I do not understand the lack of RF mount.

That's because you aren't looking at the big picture. Canon's EF lenses are ubiquitous and this product is geared towards those who might already be using Canon DSLRs or the older Canon video cameras that use EF lenses, so it makes sense to use that out of the box, to sell to the largest userbase. RF mounts will be offered on their cameras if/when it makes business sense to Canon and it doesn't, until Canon moves further into their transition away from EF lenses and offers more RF lenses to go with RF cameras. Komodo uses RF because RED doesn't give a fook about the business of lenses (or Canon's business), as they have relationships with companies like Sigma, who will be releasing their own Cinema-grade RF lenses down the line.

 

[Fahnon Bennett]

Would be interesting to see how this affects the prices of new and used C200/C300II

I imagine not at all on the C200; it's only $6,500 compared to $16,000. But the C300 mkII is getting so old and lacks in features for 2019/2020 buyer that I'm betting they will lower the price. What's interesting to me is that this camera at $16k is priced the same as the C300 line has been historically at launch. I'm curious about what Canon will price a new C300, or if this is meant to replace that tier in their lineup.

There's a wishlist for the C300 mkIII over on DVXUser, and it's pretty much this new C500...

 

[Joe Taylor]

Does anybody know if there are indeed variable frame rates? I saw one chart listing it at 1-60 FPS. If that's correct, I'm going to take a hard look at this.

 

[Timothy Jones]

Their internal ND mechanism seems to be the culprit.


A little surprised on the pricing of the Lens Mounts, but so it is.

Me too, 2500.00 for locking EF mount...

 

[L. Langer]

Does anybody know if there are indeed variable frame rates? I saw one chart listing it at 1-60 FPS. If that's correct, I'm going to take a hard look at this.

59.94 Hz mode: 59.94i/59.94P/29.97P/23.98P
50.00 Hz mode: 50.00i/50.00P/25.00P
24.00 Hz mode: 24.00P

That's what's in the official specs and there's nothing about VFR, though I suspect a later firmware upgrade could implement it. The only frame-rate feature listed on the specs is the vague Slow/Fast motion recording option.

 

[Timothy Jones]

In regards to the c500 MkII anamorphic modes,
Wasn't canon talking about releasing some anamorphic lenses, a few years ago ? Has anyone heard anything more about them?
Full frame auto focus would be cool super fantastic.

 

[Misha Engel]

I think we will rent this one as soon as it comes out.

Smart move to go CFExpress, it gave them internal compressed RAW, just like AXS and XQD gave compressed RAW to Sony.
CFExpress to U.2 converters are on the way.

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

If Canon determined that CFExpress (type B) was close enough to widespread deployment to use it in the C500Mk2, it bodes well for DSMC3 having it.

While CFE may be overkill for "normal" acquisition, it has the potential to improve frame rate/compression ratio equations. Sensor read/reset times, thermal management, etc come first - but for high speed capture, going from the 300MB/s of mini-mags to potentially 1,200MB/s would provide a lot more data space per frame.

Cheers - #19

 

[jordan levy]

i would still think RED should consider the CFexpress for komodo, it's not too late. if it seems like everything is going that way then it would be much better to be working with canon and red and using the same cards, and batteries for that matter.

 

[Misha Engel]

i would still think RED should consider the CFexpress for komodo, it's not too late. if it seems like everything is going that way then it would be much better to be working with canon and red and using the same cards, and batteries for that matter.

Komodo is only 6k and with CFast giving sustained write speeds over 450 MB/s https://www.angelbird.com/prod/av-pro-cf-1350/?category=79, you don't need CFExpress being RED (the others would).

 

[Blair S. Paulsen]

FWIW, I think CFast is perfect for the Komodo. The cards are readily available and prices per GB are already dropping. Moreover, it's hard to imagine that a device as small as the Komodo could write to media at much more than 400MB/s without TDP issues, specifically cooling. With RedCode, I just don't think going past 350MB/s is worth it - unless you can magically get a camera as tiny as the Komodo to process significantly higher data rates without melting down. Not to mention, a data footprint of a GB/s is hardly what the target market for Komodo is looking for.

Cheers - #19

 

[L. Langer]

i would still think RED should consider the CFexpress for komodo, it's not too late. if it seems like everything is going that way then it would be much better to be working with canon and red and using the same cards, and batteries for that matter.

I suppose it ties back to the REDCODE RAW patent that specifies the utilization of a SATA interface for recording RAW files, which means RED is bound to SATA HDD/SSD, mSATA SSD, and CFast media or they run afoul of someone else's patent and must pay licensing/royalties. Regardless, CFExpress was designed and approved by all of RED's biggest competitors for use in their future products, so it was made specifically for 4K and higher resolution video cameras that utilize RAW or high-resolution recording at high-data rates.

 

[Misha Engel]

I suppose it ties back to the REDCODE RAW patent that specifies the utilization of a SATA interface for recording RAW files, which means RED is bound to SATA HDD/SSD, mSATA SSD, and CFast media or they run afoul of someone else's patent and must pay licensing/royalties. Regardless, CFExpress was designed and approved by all of RED's biggest competitors for use in their future products, so it was made specifically for 4K and higher resolution video cameras that utilize RAW or high-resolution recording at high-data rates.

Well RED can also use CFExpress when the want to.
Their patent is for SATA (hence not valid for PCIe or other non SATA protocols/buses/connections/etc..).

 

[Phil Holland]

Just reread the patent, which I now have bookmarked because it's light bedtime reading these days as it comes up every other day. The patent calls out SATA, IDE, USB 2.0, etc. But more importantly stipulates "without limitation". We know nothing, but perhaps there's some love between RED and Canon we aren't aware of even.

 

[jordan levy]

Komodo is only 6k and with CFast giving sustained write speeds over 450 MB/s https://www.angelbird.com/prod/av-pro-cf-1350/?category=79, you don't need CFExpress being RED (the others would).

and the raven and scarlet-w only needed 120gb mags with lower speeds, until you upgraded cameras, then you had to get rid of it, im just saying for the future it would be nice to invest in one type of card, then you could also play nicely with canon, same cards, batteries and even some lenses.

 

[rand thompson]

First Look: Canon C500 Mark II





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Canon C500 Mark II | First Look





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Canon has just announced the return of the EOS C500 Cinema Camera with the new C500 Mark II. The biggest feature of this new cinema camera is that Canon has added a 5.9k full-frame sensor capable of over 15 stops of dynamic range to bridge the gap for documentary and feature filmmakers.

The newly developed DIGIC DV 7 Image Processor expands functionality and flexibility by enabling features such as 5.9k recording, internal recording of Canon Cinema Raw Light, and Dual Pixel Autofocus with support for Touch AF and Face Detection AF. Three expansion units and compatibility with EF and PL* lenses with user changeable lens mounts enable operators to build their ideal cinema system. The new system also includes anamorphic lens support and electronic image stabilization, making it a great option for filmmakers who want flexibility and portability.

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[John David Pope]

Looks pretty compelling for doco work.

By "doco" do you guys mean unscripted work and not literally work on documentaries? Because these mid-range cameras such as the C300 and Fs7 do all sorts of work. They do the 95% of video production that RED cameras and ARRI cameras are not used for. They are the work-horses of the industry and not a specialty camera. RED and ARRI are more specialty or "niche" cameras than the Canon and Sony cameras.

 

[Mike P.]

No shooting possible with the basic body since there is no lens mount. Jeez what a bunch of losers you are Canon ...the sleazy trick

Even if this were the case (it’s not), do you think RED is sleazy for actually doing just that?