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Can anyone pick between the 2? Red and Film...

Joe G. said:
Can we get completely bogus "tests" and threads banned?

Waste of bandwith.
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Hi,

I find it quite amusing that many RED users who don't shoot film can't see the difference. Short DOF is not a film artifact.

Stephen
 
Zakaree Sandberg said:
got me:) its hard to tell with this small res.. but curious? did you add some sort of grain to some of them.. and not to the others?
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No grain was added. Most likely the grain is due to jpeg compression and the ground glass on the mini35.
Best

Also, I don't find this a waste of bandwidth compared to other nonsense threads. This was intended to fire people up to get out and shoot with whatever they have rather than sit at the keyboard and criticize.

I obviously know this camera and image does not hold up to film or the Red. That's a given. Again it was about making decent images with whatever you have. Go out and shoot!
 
Liam Hall said:
I looked at this thread yesterday and didn't think any of the shots looked like film, but thought it would be rude to post that:) Watch your highlights and white balance...
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Thanks for the advice. These were shot before I even stepped into film school so now 4 years in I think I have a better handle, plus better equipment and gels;). Amazing how practice does make you better.
Best,
Matt
 
Matt Ryan said:
Thanks for the advice. These were shot before I even stepped into film school so now 4 years in I think I have a better handle, plus better equipment and gels;). Amazing how practice does make you better.
Best,
Matt
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So rather than post stuff you shot four years ago... Take your own advice and get out there and shoot!
Show others what film school has taught you, to get them fired up to go out and shoot, instead of trying to fake them out to do so.

All the best!
 
They all look like marginally better than average shot HDV to me. This is not an insult. I love HDV. The idea to begin with that you represented to this community as being one of two things, only to reveal later that you lied to us IS insulting.
 
Matt,

I dig what you did... a little provocative but you made a good point... the whole film vs digital discussion has a tendency to overshadow what is really important... good storytelling... I doubt that overall we will see better films because of RED... don´t get me wrong, I love the camera, I own one myself... but the camera is just a means to an end...
 
kay madsen said:
Matt,

I dig what you did... a little provocative but you made a good point... the whole film vs digital discussion has a tendency to overshadow what is really important... good storytelling... I doubt that overall we will see better films because of RED... don´t get me wrong, I love the camera, I own one myself... but the camera is just a means to an end...
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Not everyone tells stories with cameras. Some capture raw action or pure beauty of nature with no story attached at all. Some of us shoot commercials out in the desert that have no story. Tons of examples but the point is quality matters in my world and a lot of others on this site. Enjoy the discussion about film vs. digy. Try not to take it so far that you feel the need to trick us with images from 4 years ago to prove a point. Its really hard to tell any quality or difference of an image when things are posted on the net the way you did it anyways.
 
dustin lindgren said:
Not everyone tells stories with cameras. Some capture raw action or pure beauty of nature with no story attached at all. Some of us shoot commercials out in the desert that have no story. Tons of examples but the point is quality matters in my world and a lot of others on this site.
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I completely disagree. If you don´t believe that everyone who is taking a camera into his hands including you is essentially a visual storyteller just take a closer look at your examples.

If you shoot raw action and you´re doing your job well you´re telling a story about fearless athletes pushing themselves to the limits and you´re hoping for an emotional reaction from your audience.

If you´re shooting the pure beauty of nature you´re telling a powerful and emotional story with nature as your main character and very likely you´re trying to communicate a point of view... namely that it´s important to conserve it´s beauty.

And every successful commercial employs storytelling techniques with the brand or product or service at the center of it´s narration. Even if it´s only showing a car racing through the desert.

Image quality can be helpful, but good storytelling is the most important thing of all. Period.
 
MJ slamming the ball from the free throw line at about 250 fps.
One angle, locked off from the side, with a pretty wide lens.
A little riff of sound to go with it.
Nike logo flash at the end.

What was the "story" there? He's really good. Nope, the way it was shot is what made it stick for a year. Themes and stories are different.
 
dustin lindgren said:
MJ slamming the ball from the free throw line at about 250 fps.
One angle, locked off from the side, with a pretty wide lens.
A little riff of sound to go with it.
Nike logo flash at the end.

What was the "story" there? He's really good. Nope, the way it was shot is what made it stick for a year. Themes and stories are different.
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You shoot something a certain way to help you communicate effectively your story and it´s message to your audience. Your example owes a lot to asthetics pioneered by the infamous german propaganda filmmaker Leni Riefenstahl and copied by generations of advertisers. In this case to help promote the ongoing narration that Nike uses to position it´s brand.

It´s just another example of very powerful and emotional storytelling. In essence it tells us about the exploits of a legendary hero named Michael Jordan and his amazing abilities. And the narration leaves no doubt what we need to do to feel like a part of his success story. Guess what?!
 
Sensationalizing something is not story telling in my mind. No Narration in that commercial I was referring to.
 
I just happen to believe that if every person using a camera would think of themselves first and foremost as visual storytellers and would try to live up to that tradition as good as they possibly can no matter what kind of project they´re shooting and no matter what technology they use we would all be much better off. And I definitely do not exclude myself from that. It´s very tempting to get absorbed by technology and I constantly have to make a conscious effort to focus on what I believe is much more important.
 
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