Built in digital image flip feature in Scarlet 2/3 Cinema for 35mm adapter

[Shaukat Muhammad]

Does it make sense or pls help if there is any thread on this topic ?

sory for new thread.

 

[Andrew McCarrick]

Does it make sense or pls help if there is any thread on this topic ?

sory for new thread.

Well the only 2/3" adapter I know of it the Pro35 and that has the flip built into the adapter. It won't be possible to use an adapter with the fixed lens model either. So there's really reason to try it. With the cost of the Pro35mm you might as well step up to the S35 scarlet.

 

[Stephen Gentle]

Does it make sense or pls help if there is any thread on this topic ?

sory for new thread.

You'll probably be able to flip the VF/LCD output, but I doubt it will actually be able to record upside down. This feature is far more useful for, say, mounting the camera upside down on steadicams and on cranes though - I wouldn't want to lose a whole stop or two just for a tiny bit more shallow DOF, plus you have a lot more glass in front of the lens which can cause more chromatic aberration, loss of detali and other artefacts...

 

[Royce Choi]

Why would you say that it is impossible to hook up the 2/3 Fixed to a 35mm adapter Andrew? All cameras being rigged to adapters now are fixed lenses... What would be the difference between those and the Scarlet?

 

[Rick Presas]

why would you want to?

if interchangeable 35mm lenses are what you want, why not just buy the Scarlet S35 or FF35?

 

[Andrew McCarrick]

Why would you say that it is impossible to hook up the 2/3 Fixed to a 35mm adapter Andrew? All cameras being rigged to adapters now are fixed lenses... What would be the difference between those and the Scarlet?

The only 2/3" adapter is the Pro35 and it has a B4 mount, meaning it screws right into the 2/3" lens mount. They'd have to make a new connection (1/3 and 1/2 style connector) for a 2/3" camera. Scarlet will be the only 2/3" fixed lens camera I know of.

I mean even when it comes to costs alone it doesn't make sense. A decent 2/3" adapter would be about 3000 (minimum, the Pro35 is like $10k), to use it on a full blown 2/3" fixed scarlet would make it total just about the cost of a Scarlet S35.

 

[Shaukat Muhammad]

thanks for your input guys but 1st of all my question was about (scarlet 2/3 cinema) not for the fixed one.

2nd i really like the versatility,price and specs of scarlet 2/3 like 3k:1-120 fps time laps and ramping etc.compare to s35.
scarlet 2/3 will be the best camera in 2/3 and lower range or may be in higher range too.and we know people have been used 35mm adapter and thay will be be doing it same in future of course thay will have to sacrifice .5 or a whole stop or may be lill more but its 2/3 scarlet not 1/3 or 1/2 so it is still way better.

my point to have built in digitel flip feature could help in to keep the size of camera small.so with this feature and scarlet 2/3's current specs i can have the world's best versatile camera in my budget.and also can use 35mm lens when i can afford to buy or rent.and it will be good for competition as well.

practically ther is more need and demand of 2/3 cameras then any other shallow depth.i would say hundreds to one.if we look around.
my city population is around 100000 and i guess there are hundreds or more 1/3 ccd etc. cameras but i think there is hardly one or two 35mm camera.
specially if you check any press conference you will find tons of these.any news gathering agencies corporate sector wedding video grapher etc all of them surely can spend for s35 or full frame but their job or nature of work cant afford more then 2/3 depth of field and size and weight is another factor.
thats why i'm not much inspired by gh1 0r 7d and i think red knows what to do and i'm with them.

though i have few silly requests, like xlr,zoom for 2/3 cinema and internal digitel flip feature.
or may be 3k-120fps time laps and lill price reduction for s35 so i could think about s35 instead 2/3.but again i'll have to deal with very expansive 35mm lenses right after buying one.

just a curiosity how thay mange to put red prime or red zoom 18-85 on scarlet 2/3 cinema when thay took those lisy and oakly watch pics.may be we dont need any adapter if not then how the focal lenght and crop factor will work and how we can translate 18-85 red zoom on scarlet 2/3.

thanks.

 

[Chris Newman]

For shallow depth of field on 2/3" Scarlet, your best bet is the RED Mini Primes. They are around T1.5, which is equivalent to S35 depth of field at about T3.5 (or f3.2), which is shallow enough for most people, except for the ultra-shallow style that I think will loose its popularity soon.

 

[Chris Newman]

But, if you really must flip the image, you can just mount the monitor on the camera upside-down.

 

[Juhan Malmstein]

anybody who has shot a least bit with professional 2/3" cameras should know that they provide more than enough depth of field for whatever you need to do(especially if you use good glass).

 

[Rick Presas]

anybody who has shot a least bit with professional 2/3" cameras should know that they provide more than enough depth of field for whatever you need to do(especially if you use good glass).

agreed.

 

[Andrew McCarrick]

just a curiosity how thay mange to put red prime or red zoom 18-85 on scarlet 2/3 cinema when thay took those lisy and oakly watch pics.may be we dont need any adapter if not then how the focal lenght and crop factor will work and how we can translate 18-85 red zoom on scarlet 2/3.

Which footage/pics are you refering to, because I don't know of any footage made public shot with the 2/3" Scarlet (or any Scarlet for that matter.).

 

[Kevin Marshall]

Which footage/pics are you refering to, because I don't know of any footage made public shot with the 2/3" Scarlet (or any Scarlet for that matter.).

From a while back:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27040

I forget where the oakley watch picture is, but www.camerarentalz.com has all of the scarlet/epic pictures released thus far, you just have to look back for them.

 

[Andrew McCarrick]

From a while back:

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27040

I forget where the oakley watch picture is, but www.camerarentalz.com has all of the scarlet/epic pictures released thus far, you just have to look back for them.

Hmm... now I'm wondering the same thing. I didn't see those before. I'm guess since it was a test they some how worked up a mock-up with a 35mm pl mount (just for the test). Or they have a Pro35.

 

[Jay Friesen]

Why the hell would you want to put a 35mm adapter on a Scarlet? That's like putting an adapter on the 5D or 7D. Bigger sensor, better lenses- that makes no sense.

 

[Andrew McCarrick]

Why the hell would you want to put a 35mm adapter on a Scarlet? That's like putting an adapter on the 5D or 7D. Bigger sensor, better lenses- that makes no sense.

Not to mention the Pro35 is almost twice the costs of the Scarlet.

 

[Justin O'Neill]

RED has said you can put their S35 mount on the 2/3" Scarlet and that is what they did for the Scarlet lizard shots. The dog was on the miniREDs. www.camerarentalz.com/1st-image-3k-scarlet/


The problem with doing this is that because of the crop factor you will have a hard time getting wide shots. Using a 35mm adapter would allow you to get 35mm DoF without the crop factor.

 

[Robert Craig]

Anyone who is willing to sacrifice sharpness for DOF should be beaten just like this horse. :beatdeadhorse5: But seriously now why would you put a huge contraption on the front of the camera and makes it hard to hold, heavy, flimsy and then cuts sharpness and any auto controls??? think people think :biggrin:

 

[Justin O'Neill]

But seriously now why would you put a huge contraption on the front of the camera and makes it hard to hold, heavy, flimsy and then cuts sharpness and any auto controls??? think people think :biggrin:

Plenty people out there prefer the softness 35mm adapters give. The 2/3" fixed will be my fav personally but I know plenty of people who would love FF35mm DoF and a slightly softer image.