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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Build 16 news...

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Dominic Jones said:
I think you'll see the 18-85 T2.9 lens there too.

I think that's a pretty "big" thing, if it's as good as it looks like it will be, but judging by Red's standards, likely that'll be one of the "small" things!
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jim already said the 18-85 lens wasn't part of the big or little things
 
Looking forwards to seeing you all there. I know there's a number of people who have told me that they will be at the RED tent "first", so it will be interesting to see who actually is there first.

Graeme
 
See you there!
I just hope it will be easier than last year.
Getting in the booth was @#@# last year...patience, patience.
Makes me think... two years ago, we had plenty of time to talk at RED's booth.

Ah ! Popularity!
 
Graeme Nattress said:
I know there's a number of people who have told me that they will be at the RED tent "first", so it will be interesting to see who actually is there first.
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I'll be one of the first ones there... on tuesday the 15th.
 
I am already at the convention center camping out. was told not to light anymore campfires though
 
Jannard said:
Build 16 is one of the three "small" new things at the RED booth... there will also be three "BIG" new things.

Jim
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Looking forward to seeing everyone! This will be my 10th NAB. And the best one yet!

Bring it on, Jim! (and, as always, thanks a million)
 
Had always thought that I was much too far doun the list for getting my camera(s). Now I think I'm at about the optimal point.
 
Since this is a build 16 thread does anyone know what build 16 specifically addresses? Other than the massively overvague "image quality".

I mean, are we talking the sensor profiling is being changed to be more tungsten friendly? Are we gaining a couple stops of sensitivity. Are we gaining more headroom on the high end? Or is noise reduction being added to the entire chain. Is phantom power in there?
 
joelnet said:
Since this is a build 16 thread does anyone know what build 16 specifically addresses? Other than the massively overvague "image quality".

I mean, are we talking the sensor profiling is being changed to be more tungsten friendly? Are we gaining a couple stops of sensitivity. Are we gaining more headroom on the high end? Or is noise reduction being added to the entire chain. Is phantom power in there?
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I'm guessing less noise, more latitude (closer to the stated 11 1/3rd stops...maybe more...who knows:sorcerer: ?) Higher frame rate for 4K (60fps in my dreams, maybe more like 50fps for now? Maybe 3K frame rates will jump too?), 16:9 proxies will finally work, etc? It's already a pretty cool camera, how much cooler can you get?:matrix:
 
it can always get cooler and because its a firmware upgrade we won't all be shelling out every time there is another feature added. its a brave new world
 
Note, given a 12-bit A/D, they can't get more than 12 stops DR without using pre-A/D nonlinearity, which would mean a change in hardware plus a change in philosophy- doesn't seem that likely. Remember that the DR as it exists now is 11+ stops "total" when you disregard noise. Most people do care about noise at some level, so the "effective" or "usable" DR is lower. So there's plenty of room for usable DR improvement without the "total" DR changing at all.
 
Jannard said:
Build 16 is one of the three "small" new things at the RED booth... there will also be three "BIG" new things.

Jim
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Now that I do, finally have my RED on hands, nothing is "small" ... anymore!

Last year at NAB, I was a RESERVATION holder, and exited as HELL!!!

This year at NAB I'm a RED ONE owner, and I'm as exited as I ever remember been for what is to come.

Keep it up Jim, I'm sure to follow for a very long time to come.

Ciao
 
Image quality improvement speculation

Image quality improvement speculation

My best guess is a fine tuning of the demosaicing algorithm to accomplish two important things.

1) A softer shoulder on the top end to manage highlights so overexposure looks more like film. This will allow you to open up a bit more to get farther up off the noise floor.

2) Better noise kill in the toe by more intelligently differentiating between fine detail and artifacting. Perhaps there's a way to reference the red and green channels to analyze the blue channel? Just a guess.

Useable DR is so dependent on noise tolerance (which, as it turns out, is rather significantly influenced by how much genuine picture information you have in the lower end of the blue channel) that assigning a DR number is hardly an empirical exercise. That said, my gut tells me there is another full stop of real world DR available with better optimization and that is what I expect out of Build 16.
 
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