Brains - upgrade path

[Joseph Ward]

I hope the other modules will be in the hundreds and not the thousands! :detective2:

 

[bobaandy]

Guys, think of what goes INTO the modules. Some connectors in a box with a proprietary link on either end can't cost that much. Similarly with, say, recording module or a battery module. The expensive part of the brain. The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

 

[red i wanabe]

The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

not buy much

 

[Jannard]

The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

not buy much

You certainly have the option to build your own boxes from Radio Shack components... do they do development work there also?

Jim

 

[Todd M.]

Guys, think of what goes INTO the modules. Some connectors in a box with a proprietary link on either end can't cost that much. Similarly with, say, recording module or a battery module. The expensive part of the brain. The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

...wow oster_stupid:

 

[Mohammed El Sharqawy]

The whole taking Stills with a motion camera seems to be fad to me. With very little real world production use. I'm mean you need the right tools for the job. DSLR's are made for taking stills using still lenses with a direct through the lens view finder.

I'm pretty sure most professional photographers will scream at the idea of not having a optical viewfinder to take stills with. A DSLR is considerably cheaper than any motion camera, and Cinema lenses function way differently to a still lens.

well, for serious photographers Optical View finder is not the only issue.. the biggest of them all is "SLR performance"... for DSLRs typical start up time for example is 0.18 secs.. which means start and shoot.. I read Jim wrote that target start up time for epic and scarlet is 2 secs.. also all settings can be done out side menus with one handed operation and shortcuts... it has to be rapid camera ready for you to an event...
however.. on the other side I don't know how fast a hassleblad starts up but, it takes a few seconds to store a 100 MB image on a hard drive or memory card.. imagine bursts... also hassleblad doesn't seen to rely on optical view finders.. not sure... never used ones

 

[bobaandy]

You certainly have the option to build your own boxes from Radio Shack components... do they do development work there also?

Jim

No, that's what Frys is for .

And I understand that I made a huge generalization, but that was the point. All I'm saying is that the add-on modules seem to be less advanced then the main brain itself.

 

[Colin Sheldon]

Your assumptions sure are interesting... $5K for modules?

Jim

I was thinking that would put a functional S35 scarlet at $12.5, which is $5k less then the Red One... I thought that might be possible considering the spec differences between the two =)

But really I was just trying to show the cost savings of the modular approach compared to Red "competitors"

 

[Jannard]

I was thinking that would put a functional S35 scarlet at $12.5, which is $5k less then the Red One... I thought that might be possible considering the spec differences between the two =)

But really I was just trying to show the cost savings of the modular approach compared to Red "competitors"

If you bought an F23 for $250K (ready to go less lens) and then found out that the F35 was available for over $300K with no trade-in value for your F23... that is the comparison. No... wait, that would just take you from 2/3" to S35.

Jim

 

[Brook Willard]

You certainly have the option to build your own boxes...

That's great news, I've got a few ideas of my own for special purpose accessories.

When the cameras ship, will you guys be releasing full specifications of the new interface between the camera body and [insert accessory here]? Much like you released pinouts for the RED ONE... although presumably a bit more complex.

 

[Steven Caesare]

Guys, think of what goes INTO the modules. Some connectors in a box with a proprietary link on either end can't cost that much. Similarly with, say, recording module or a battery module. The expensive part of the brain. The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

Yeah!

It's not like the audio modules would have say... A/D conversters, limiters, filtering circuitry, digital interface logic, etc...

And I'm pretty sure that video output modules wouldn't have silly things like HDMI source chips, scalers, HD-SDI source drivers, etc...

Really, I'm pretty sure if you look inside the modules, you'll just see a couple of leads with alligator clips. And maybe some lead fishing weights to make them feel more valuable.

After all, it only makes sense to put all such things in the brain, where it will drive up cost, generate heat, take up space, and the like... without ever knowing if that circuitry would even be used in a given configuration.

What a scam. :sarcasm:

-Steve

 

[I Bloom]

2 cents:

I'm thrilled about the stills and motion in one concept. I don't get alot of chances to shoot stills on the road. That's because whenever I travel I'm moving like ten cases full of cinematography gear and I just can't bare to bring my backpack with my Nikon. Being able to shoot compressed raw at work and uncompressed raw stills on my days off is something I'm looking for.

In addition: I work with a lot of still photographers in the fashion world. They all want to shoot motion. They will buy a scarlet and they will love false color.

I really have to give a tip of my hat to Jim for sticking by the RAW concept. The RED brain is essentially the Raw part of the camera... capture, compression and view, all you actually need to shoot a movie.

The port module is more than just radio shack parts, it's doing additional processing. It's the interface from the raw world to the HD world, the timecode world and the audio world. Allowing you to strip away all those features if you don't need them. But also allowing those features to perhaps improve over time.

I.Bloom

 

[Deanan]

Much like you released pinouts for the RED ONE... although presumably a bit more complex.

That's like comparing a water pistol to a nuclear warhead.

 

[Brook Willard]

Heheh, so will we get the nuclear football?

 

[Tarek S. Kandil]

Guys, think of what goes INTO the modules. Some connectors in a box with a proprietary link on either end can't cost that much. Similarly with, say, recording module or a battery module. The expensive part of the brain. The rest is a trip to radio shack (understatement )

I think you'd have to have personally built cameras like RED One in every way and more to be in a position to say that.

 

[oldphart]

That's like comparing a water pistol to a nuclear warhead.

One might load it with heavy water :shifty:

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

Graphite and other carbon compounds work better... Much lighter and easier to produce too. Of course, that doesn't flow out of a water pistol very well. Hey, there's always mercury. It will make people crazy and will dissolve your aluminum camera bodies while you're at it.

 

[roryhinds]

Sorry, Rory. I have to disagree. That is the problem we have with the RED ONE. Electronics (and their capabilities) are matched to current sensor technology. If we upgrade only the sensor, you are stuck with the features of the electronics. And unlike a Canon 5D, you can upgrade each part if there is a significant "new technology".

As for the stills part being a fad... maybe just to you.

There is no reason to upgrade to an EPIC if you see no advantage to it over a RED ONE. You can keep the RED ONE just as it is, or upgrade the sensor... just as we promised. To dismiss a DSMC as a fad only takes your point of view into account. If you don't need stills capability, an EPIC still represents an incredible price/performance camera for motion only compared to anything ever released into the market.

Your post really surprises me...

Jim

Hi Jim

I guess I just need to get used the the idea of Still/Motion. From the productions I do we always have a seperate still photographer and most of my photographer friends wouldn't give up there Optical Viewfinder.

I am surprised that the "Brains" can't be upgraded as the REDONE can. I would have thought the "Brains" would have more advanced electronics than the RED one so would accommodate a sensor upgrade as the REDONE does, with of course limitations like the REDONE.

I guess I need to get working overtime to afford a new camera body every year to keep up with progress.

I'm looking forward to see how EPIC evolves.