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Bought Nvidia 285-Resolve crash

Hey, simply put, if you get a GTX285 that has 896 Megs of RAM then it is a GTX260 or GTX275. There is a VERY disreputable guy in Ohio named Aaron who is currently trying to dupe people with these cards. His Ebay name is MacDesignerSystems and Graphics or something to that effect.

The GTX260 and GTX275 can work as GTX285, but they are considerably slower. They have fewer rendering units and less memory bandwidth and need to be down-clocked to avoid crashes like you have described. I imagine hat he just tossed the usual 285 ROM on the card and only tested it by seeing if it reached desktop.

The AGPM kext trick is not needed for GTX285 cards, but is needed for GTX470 and GTX480. The GTX480 is nearly TWICE the speed of GTX285 once you do this. The GTX470 is also faster, and either one will leave the Quadro 4000 for dead. I just witnessed a Noise Reduction test that pretty much ended all doubt as to this. There was a Quadro in same league as the GTX470, but it is a $3K Quadro 6000.

If you buy a GTX285 and it only shows 896 Megs of RAM, it is a 260/275. If this was not mentioned anywhere in the ad, time to get PO'd and demand money back. Also, remember that sellers can only leave POSITIVE feedback for you, while you can lambaste them with whatever you feel like saying. So feel free to warn future buyers that the seller is a hack.
 
Dave P said:
Hey, simply put, if you get a GTX285 that has 896 Megs of RAM then it is a GTX260 or GTX275. There is a VERY disreputable guy in Ohio named Aaron who is currently trying to dupe people with these cards. His Ebay name is MacDesignerSystems and Graphics or something to that effect.

The GTX260 and GTX275 can work as GTX285, but they are considerably slower. They have fewer rendering units and less memory bandwidth and need to be down-clocked to avoid crashes like you have described. I imagine hat he just tossed the usual 285 ROM on the card and only tested it by seeing if it reached desktop.

The AGPM kext trick is not needed for GTX285 cards, but is needed for GTX470 and GTX480. The GTX480 is nearly TWICE the speed of GTX285 once you do this. The GTX470 is also faster, and either one will leave the Quadro 4000 for dead. I just witnessed a Noise Reduction test that pretty much ended all doubt as to this. There was a Quadro in same league as the GTX470, but it is a $3K Quadro 6000.

If you buy a GTX285 and it only shows 896 Megs of RAM, it is a 260/275. If this was not mentioned anywhere in the ad, time to get PO'd and demand money back. Also, remember that sellers can only leave POSITIVE feedback for you, while you can lambaste them with whatever you feel like saying. So feel free to warn future buyers that the seller is a hack.
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Here is the test, that we just ran with Dave.
http://reduser.net/forum/showthread...formance-with-GTX-285-470-480-and-Quadra-6000
 
Dave P said:
Hey, simply put, if you get a GTX285 that has 896 Megs of RAM then it is a GTX260 or GTX275. There is a VERY disreputable guy in Ohio named Aaron who is currently trying to dupe people with these cards. His Ebay name is MacDesignerSystems and Graphics or something to that effect.

The GTX260 and GTX275 can work as GTX285, but they are considerably slower. They have fewer rendering units and less memory bandwidth and need to be down-clocked to avoid crashes like you have described. I imagine hat he just tossed the usual 285 ROM on the card and only tested it by seeing if it reached desktop.

The AGPM kext trick is not needed for GTX285 cards, but is needed for GTX470 and GTX480. The GTX480 is nearly TWICE the speed of GTX285 once you do this. The GTX470 is also faster, and either one will leave the Quadro 4000 for dead. I just witnessed a Noise Reduction test that pretty much ended all doubt as to this. There was a Quadro in same league as the GTX470, but it is a $3K Quadro 6000.

If you buy a GTX285 and it only shows 896 Megs of RAM, it is a 260/275. If this was not mentioned anywhere in the ad, time to get PO'd and demand money back. Also, remember that sellers can only leave POSITIVE feedback for you, while you can lambaste them with whatever you feel like saying. So feel free to warn future buyers that the seller is a hack.
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CRAP, just ordered a GTX 285 from that guy and have paid it through PayPal.

In the picture is showed a OEM EVGA GTX 285 and have a email from him claiming it is a genuine OEM card.....

WHAT SHOULD I DO?

Thanks for any advice.........

EDIT: this is the link to the same add I responded to: http://www.ebay.nl/itm/APPLE-MAC-PR...266?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item20bde67012
 
That one looks real. Make sure what you get is what is pictured and that it has 1 GB of RAM.

The fraudulent listing of his is this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/130590876008#ht_1141wt_1306

A GTX260 being sold as a GTX285. The 896 MB is the give away.

If you end up returning it, a GTX470 is a better choice for same basic $$$ anyhow.
 
Cool, thanks for putting my mind to ease just a little bit!

Where do you recommend getting the GTX470 from? (I am in europe)

Again, thanks for your reply!
 
MacVidCards in Los Angeles or Mac Pro Systems in San Jose.

As Jake just posted, the GTX470 IS more powerful than GTX285. FOr GPU / CUDA tasks, it is measurably faster.
 
Thanks for the tips!

Before ordering from that Aaron guy I contacted macvidcards as they state on the bottom of their ads (I am located in The Netherlands).
He said that he will only ship with FedEx to the Netherlands due to bad past experiences with USPS, shipping with FedEx would have cost me $155,-

I felt that amount was ridiculous, because it is almost half of what the cards cost......

Maybe I should have gone with the macvidcards, but I just felt that a OEM card would be more stable/trustworthy, we'll see what happens with the Aaron guy....

Thanks for the help Dave!
 
Dave P said:
MacVidCards in Los Angeles or Mac Pro Systems in San Jose.

As Jake just posted, the GTX470 IS more powerful than GTX285. FOr GPU / CUDA tasks, it is measurably faster.
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Your website is a mess ... otherwise I'd have bought something already.

I'm interested in the GTX 480, but I guess I need to know more about the external power supply business.

I am also interested in the Quadro 4000 ... because it requires a single slot. Are there other Nvidia cards that are reasonably modern and require only a single slot? I mean a GT120 just won't do. Ideally I want something that will outperform my ATI 5770 (2010 Mac Pro stock video card)

The dearth of simple GPU choices makes me consider building a dedicated Resolve Windows box. I hate Windows ... so that will get set up and basically just boot and run Resolve. I'd rather run Resolve Linux ... but that's out of my price range by a wide margin.
 
Alexander Ibrahim said:
Your website is a mess ... otherwise I'd have bought something already.

I'm interested in the GTX 480, but I guess I need to know more about the external power supply business.

I am also interested in the Quadro 4000 ... because it requires a single slot. Are there other Nvidia cards that are reasonably modern and require only a single slot? I mean a GT120 just won't do. Ideally I want something that will outperform my ATI 5770 (2010 Mac Pro stock video card)

The dearth of simple GPU choices makes me consider building a dedicated Resolve Windows box. I hate Windows ... so that will get set up and basically just boot and run Resolve. I'd rather run Resolve Linux ... but that's out of my price range by a wide margin.
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Yeah, Never meant to go this far with it as is. Will be finding someone to finish the site soon.

The GTX480 requires an external power supply, they are available from various sources for $100 or less, but require wires running into Mac, NOT elegant.

There are no powerful Nvidia cards in single slot style. There might be a GTX460 but it is no more or less powerful than Q4000.

The 5770 is not especially useful for Resolve, BMD has added moderate support for it because it is the default card in a new Mac.

The BEST Mac option is an expansion chassis with a couple or 3 GTX480s. Yes, I know, expensive. But how much are the Q4000s? The GTX480 is half as much, and can run rings around them.

There is no super easy option. They are all compromises. For the fastest Resolve system in OSX, the compromise is dealing with GTX480s power & heat issues.
 
Unfortunately i didnt get my card from Dave either though the sellers name was mac_video_cards and I was rushing and didnt pick up on it and now I have a 285 that is based on a Zotac 285 and seems to run under Premiere with cuda but resolve wont have a bar of it just keeps crashing and saying no cudo card available or something similar. Other than buying another 285 or 470 from Dave is there any options out there?
 
Ah yes, my old "friend" John Quintal. At least that was the name he was using when he ran a bogus Ebay presence in CT. He bought cards from me and had them forwarded to him in Australia. He had the gall to return some so he could get multiple ROMs for price of one card. He's a piece of work, I mentioned him to Jake yesterday.

Zotac makes fine cards, so the problem is either that he duped you with a GTX260 that he "relabeled" or the card is just NG. All about how much VRAM. If it is 896 Megs, you have been throughly swindled and should file appropriate claims to retrieve your money. If it is 1024 Megs, then card may have issues all by itself. Run CUDA-Z to see what the general CUDA performance is. If CUDA-Z crashes out, you will have your answer.

Imitation may be sincerest form of flattery but I'm not flattered. I should file with Ebay about him giving himself a name so like mine.

Zotac cards are typically good. Both the GTX470 and GTX480 that Jake tested yesterday were new Zotac ones. I have had no more or less trouble from them then any other brand, though EVGA does seem to have best.

But you should check how much RAM, it will be in System Profiler or CUDA-Z.
 
Thanks Dave that be the guy I bought mine from. F@#$%%er I'll give cuda-z a go it does say that it has 1024 ram and the box it came in is for a 285 Zotac so fingers crossed.

Edit__ after not being able to load cuda-z a few times it kept saying could not see CUDA I restart and power recycled a couple times and suddenly the Cuda sys pref wanted to load version 4 of the driver and BANG its working. So strange the longer I spend with computers the less logical they seem to be.

here is the Cuda-Z report
CUDA-Z Report
=============
Version: 0.6.133 SVN Built Jun 25 2010 23:28:46
http://cuda-z.sourceforge.net/
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.6.8 10K549
Driver Version: 1.6.37.0 (256.02.25f01)
Driver Dll Version: 4.0
Runtime Dll Version: 3.0

Core Information
----------------
Name: GeForce GTX 285
Compute Capability: 1.3
Clock Rate: 1476 MHz
Multiprocessors: 30
Warp Size: 32
Regs Per Block: 16384
Threads Per Block: 512
Threads Dimensions: 512 x 512 x 64
Grid Dimensions: 65535 x 65535 x 1
Watchdog Enabled: Yes
Integrated GPU: No
Concurrent Kernels: No
Compute Mode: Default

Memory Information
------------------
Total Global: 1023.69 MiB
Shared Per Block: 16 KiB
Pitch: 2048 MiB
Total Constant: 64 KiB
Texture Alignment: 256 B
Texture 1D Size: 8192
Texture 2D Size: 65536 x 32768
Texture 3D Size: 2048 x 2048 x 2048
GPU Overlap: Yes
Map Host Memory: Yes
Error Correction: No

Performance Information
-----------------------
Memory Copy
Host Pinned to Device: 5762.31 MiB/s
Host Pageable to Device: 5281.13 MiB/s
Device to Host Pinned: 5762.11 MiB/s
Device to Host Pageable: 5301.62 MiB/s
Device to Device: 59.4794 GiB/s
GPU Core Performance
Single-precision Float: 704.691 Gflop/s
Double-precision Float: 86.808 Gflop/s
32-bit Integer: 141.535 Giop/s
24-bit Integer: 705.009 Giop/s

Generated: Wed Oct 26 16:28:41 2011

Thanks
 
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Well, you may be OK if the thing works now.

I hope that the card works out, but it stinks for me that he is riding on my coattails hoping for people to not notice that he ISN'T me. Slimy guy.
 
Nvidia GTX 285 from MacVidCards arrived and is working perfectly!
25 fps in half resolution.

Thank you!
 
Thank you for your advice on the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.
Sorry to say I have only one slot left in my Mac Pro, since not buying the 4000. Do I feel stupid? Yes!

So I'm wondering if you think the Intensity Pro would work?
I'm on Resolve, Avid and FCP.
This would be to connect to a Panasonic VT30Y Plasma.

Thank you
 
Just a quick note to anyone thinking of purchasing from Dave, I originally bought his 285 card, and wanted more power. He took the card as an exchange with no problem and was extremely helpful with choosing to go with the 480. I would not buy one of these from anyone else based on my experience here and other reduser's experience.

I'm not affiliated with him in any way, just a very satisfied customer.

Tim
 
Martin Widerberg said:
Thank you for your advice on the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.
Sorry to say I have only one slot left in my Mac Pro, since not buying the 4000. Do I feel stupid? Yes!

So I'm wondering if you think the Intensity Pro would work?
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Don't have Resolve in front of me to check right now, but be sure the Intensity card is supported. I would still recommend the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D. It takes a single slot. The secondary slot space is only used to route the HDMI connectors out and there are other ways to get HDMI connectors routed out of your system case. You may only need one of them if you're just monitoring.
 
I was actually pondering the idea of making an extra hole in the alu chassi:)
Du you have a less "destructive" idea of how to route the cable?

Thank you for all your good advice!
 
For a while I had a piece of clear plexiglas cut the size of the Mac pro door, then I took the bumper off the door and attached it to the plexiglas, and drilled holes to mount the redrocket hdsdi cables out (full slots and 2 optical drives) to give side access. I now have the aluminum door back on since I have a Cubix expander now.
Tim
 
Martin Widerberg said:
Thank you for your advice on the DeckLink HD Extreme 3D.
Sorry to say I have only one slot left in my Mac Pro, since not buying the 4000. Do I feel stupid? Yes!

So I'm wondering if you think the Intensity Pro would work?
I'm on Resolve, Avid and FCP.
This would be to connect to a Panasonic VT30Y Plasma.

Thank you
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It won't help you much if your plasma is HDMI-only, but for everyone else, I should mention that I'm using the cheap Decklink SDI. It's working perfectly fine, so I'm not sure why they only list the HD Extreme 3D in the config guide.
 
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