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Isaac Babcock

Isaac Babcock

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Someone with a "new" camera on build 12, what is the current start-up/boot-up time... From turning the camera "on" to the moment you can start "recording"?
 
60 secs ...ish
 
60 seconds is still a bit of time...

Maybe the camera should be booting up while the camera people are dealing with some other detail... rather than standing waiting.
 
Jim did mention trying to get this down to 30 seconds'ish. Is that still on the cards?

Fence
 
Why isn't this under a second? Most modern digital cameras can kick on that fast, so I don't understand why the RedOne can't.
 
Lowkus said:
Why isn't this under a second? Most modern digital cameras can kick on that fast, so I don't understand why the RedOne can't.
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Probably because the RED One is like a PC compared to your average digital camera which is closer to a PDA.
 
Because it's many times more complex and more flexible than any other camera or DLSR that I know of....

Graeme
 
Dominic Cochran said:
No they can't
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Yes they can. If I have my D3 in my right hand at my hip, and I see a shot, I can turn it on—and in the time it takes to lift the camera to my eye—I can take five shots before I even see the subject in my viewfinder. Its near instant.
 
Only 5 frames? :-)

Jim
 
Is any type of "standby" mode possible to allow faster recording start and prolong battery life ?
Does system allow storing boot-up data in ram ?
 
I think this still does pose a problem for the run and gunners. Not a show-stopper, but merely a potential shot-stopper. If you are doing doc work and you happen to boot the camera down and then suddenly a shot becomes available that the producer/director wants, it's possible you would miss it. I suspect that the Red team will find a way to eventually get this down to 30 seconds, which although still a long time for those of us that are used to being able to turn the camera on and go, it would still be a huge leap in this context.

There are going to be compromises but I think the benefits the Red camera will provide will outweigh them. In a feature film setup or any other planned shoot, I can see this being far less of a problem. As Brook mentioned you just try and find the right times to do the reboots.

Steve
 
PerfectOptics said:
Yes they can. If I have my D3 in my right hand at my hip, and I see a shot, I can turn it on—and in the time it takes to lift the camera to my eye—I can take five shots before I even see the subject in my viewfinder. Its near instant.
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Ah yes, my fault I suppose, I read digital cameras as meaning digital VIDEO (or cinema, since I'm sure someone will say that Red isn't video) cameras.
Since that is after all what we were discussing.

I know DSLR still cameras have faster startup times.

My 5D doesn't start up in less than a second though, must be nice!
 
Its not fast but then again its not a DVcamera. Its Digital Cinema. Even my best AC cant get a 435 up and running in 60secs after he gets the rawstock handet to him. The fastest reload I ever saw was my norwegian AC Eirik who could thread a 435 in 17 secs from rollout to ready to shoot....
JJ
DP
Denmark
 
Lowkus said:
Why isn't this under a second? Most modern digital cameras can kick on that fast, so I don't understand why the RedOne can't.
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It's been said before that the RED is more of a camera/computer hybrid - a camputer.

It takes my new MacBook Pro roughly 50secs to boot from cold and nearly 90sec to go from cold to an Application (eg FCP or AE) start and ready to work. In that context I don't think a 60 sec boot up time for RED is bad at all - it would be great to get it down a bit but I think technology is a few years off the grunt that would be required to have a system like this booting in an instant.

How long does it take for the iPhone to boot BTW? Haven't actually seen one down here in Oz yet. I'm imagining even those take at least 15secs.

Cam
 
Dominic Cochran said:
My 5D doesn't start up in less than a second though, must be nice!
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Actually according to Dpreview the 5D starts up in less than 0.2 sec from power off to first shot.

One minute can feel like a very long time, especially if you are the steadi operator with the whole crew staring at you :-) Plan ahead, that must be the way to get around it currently.
 
60 seconds??? That's going to be quite a crux at times in the natural world. Sure, we can try to be smart about power-up/power-down timing... but it is not all that predictable out here.

Imagine the BBC/Planet Earth and their stunning snow leapord chase. 3-5 years looking for the cats, finally find a female and kitten. One morning the female leopord is sleeping, for hours. The camera is pointed at her, but off, you have limited batteries back there, she has done nothing for 3 hours, your not going to leave the camera on....

She hears something and perks up, you're lucky that you saw her, and turn on the power. She waits ten seconds, moves into a stalk, and the chase is on...you've seen it if you saw this episode of planet earth....it was a very long chase, remarkably filmed, the only ever witnessed of a snow leapord, and yet, the chase would've have been nearly over before the camera was ready to start recording. Ouch.

Of course, the above account is fictitious, I wasn't there. But I have been present for numerous similar occaisions, mountain lions, wolves... freaky-people...whatever your passion. It's a once in a lifetime, twice if your lucky, we often don't get a 60 second warning.

RED - I know you've got your hands full. I know there are a whole plethora of intended genres for the camera, and for many of them the 60 second boot-up is an inconvenience, but not a crucial factor. But in Natural History, if I may submit a plea on behalf of many wildlife shooters - this was the primary RED concern I heard talked around at the Jackson Hole Film Festival -

Please, please find someway to integrate a sleep/stanby mode. Something that takes less than 5 seconds to wake up and record. This is almost as important as the cold weather issue - which you put to rest nicely, thank you.
 
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