Best setting for PAL final

[Antonio Forjaz]

What would be the best setting on the RED if the final destination is PAL broadcast.
I would like to shoot maximum resolution 4.5K so that in post I can have more leeway.

 

[jimhare]

I would suggest 25FPS with a shutter of 180 degrees or 1/50 of a second. 320 ASA.

That's how I shoot PAL and it looks fantastic!

 

[Martin Weiss]

Before commiting to 4.5k - which is very widescreen, you might want to do some tests and see if you do not get better results with 4kHD

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

I would suggest 25FPS with a shutter of 180 degrees or 1/50 of a second. 320 ASA.

That's how I shoot PAL and it looks fantastic!

That is what I have been using.
But what I has after is actually, what size and aspect ratio?

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

There's also a strong argument for shooting 3K @ 50Hz, especially if you wish to intercut with HD footage shot at 50p or 50i.

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

3K @ 50Hz,

3K @ 50Hz,

There's also a strong argument for shooting 3K @ 50Hz, especially if you wish to intercut with HD footage shot at 50p or 50i.

but by doing this won't I be loosing some of that nice DOF I get from 4K?
Should I just shoot at 4K but use the 4:3 safety? Then scale it in post?

 

[axel ebermann]

4k HD (if it is for broadcast), 25p, 1/50th of a shutter. Believe the Pal man from germany ;-)

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

4k HD (if it is for broadcast), 25p, 1/50th of a shutter. Believe the Pal man from germany ;-)

Yes it is for broadcast.
Thanks.

 

[Dave Blackham]

Yes it is for broadcast.
Thanks.

16 x 9 3k or 4k, 25FPS with a suitable shutter setting.

 

[Jeff Kilgroe]

but by doing this won't I be loosing some of that nice DOF I get from 4K?

It doesn't change your DOF, it changes your FOV. So you have deeper perceived DOF in similar framing setups compared to 4K because you would be using a wider lens by comparison. It depends on what you are doing / shooting.

If you are trying to match 50Hz interlaced footage shot on a broadcast HD camera, then shooting 3K @ 50Hz is the best way to go.

I don't know if you are matching any such footage or not, just sayin'...

 

[Antonio Forjaz]

It doesn't change your DOF, it changes your FOV. So you have deeper perceived DOF in similar framing setups compared to 4K because you would be using a wider lens by comparison. It depends on what you are doing / shooting.

If you are trying to match 50Hz interlaced footage shot on a broadcast HD camera, then shooting 3K @ 50Hz is the best way to go.

I don't know if you are matching any such footage or not, just sayin'...

Thanks for the explanation. I muddled DOF and FOV.
I am not matching any HD.
All I am doing is shooting commercials that end up being broadcast in PAL. I end up giving them in 16:9, unless the client asks specifically for 4:3.

 

[Eren Ozkural]

If you're just shooting on the RED then as other people have said 4KHD 1/50 25fps. Works like a charm

 

[Jamie Havill]

Just a quick question, and I understand why 25p would be preferable for broadcast work in PAL land.

Say if you were shooting a short film for example, that you were intending to distribute merely in quicktime on the web, or say some Blu-Ray discs, would there be any percievable difference between 24p or 25p? So much so that it would make it preferable to use one over the other?

 

[scott william]

For short films i shoot 24fps at 1/48 and convert to 25 for the DVD output. i'm currently shooting a doco using these settings.

 

[Neil B Smith]

Thanks for the explanation. I muddled DOF and FOV.
I am not matching any HD.
All I am doing is shooting commercials that end up being broadcast in PAL. I end up giving them in 16:9, unless the client asks specifically for 4:3.

All TV commercials made in the UK are delivered in 16:9 and need to be protected for 14:9 (NOT 16:9). The final delivery of the video need to be PAL 16:9 Full-Height.

Information regarding the delivery for UK broadcast can be found at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/dq/pdf/tv/tv_standards_london.pdf