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I just put on the scale our Red, fully tricked out with all ET parts, 15MM base & 24" Ultra Rods, Topside Combo & 12" Ultra Rods, LCD, Red Cradle with Red Drive and Anton Bauer 140, Red Top Handle, Arri Matte Box MB 14, Arri Follow Focus FF4, and Cooke 18-100.

Roughly 47 pounds.

A very heavy mother...

Heavy, but pictures so incredible.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo
Director/Cinematographer
 
Ah !

Leo,

That's exactly what i told to a friend when i received my camera.

Must go back to the gym !!!

This image box is heavy.
 
No Way! This camera is so light compared to any 35mm body. Arricam LT or Movicam SL included. Unless you are handholding a zoom of that range. With an s4 prime, drive, battery, ET Ultras top and bottom, LMB 4 and top handle it's still way lighter than many ENG camera configs I've held.

The only problem is that the weight gravitates to the front. The battery and drive must be far back to counter this.
 
CrewPix.com said:
Why would anyone go handheld with a Cooke 18-100?!?
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I don't believe I wrote or implied that my studio rigged Red was suitable for hand-holding.

I have found the balance point to be just forward of the lens mount, not bad at all, pretty much centered at the center of the Top Handle.

I've got the Red Cradle mounted on the rear most top mount, lying flat against the top cheese plate. I much prefer this configuration to mounting the cradle on the rods.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo Ticheli
Director/Cinematographer
 
Hollywood,

beeing lighter than a film camera doesn't mean it's light...

Let's say it's light for a 4K camera :)
 
I think the weight is pretty good. It's way lighter than most 35mm cameras. People on this forum talk a lot about the weight, with a prime and a P-size matte box, it's lighter than a varicam. I put it on my steadicam and i kind of wished it had a little more mass.

Early camera recievers, note the yellow chart tape on the film plane on the Panavision.
 
Antoine Fabi said:
Hollywood,

beeing lighter than a film camera doesn't mean it's light...

Let's say it's light for a 4K camera :)
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That's exactly what I was thinking. :) This is new technology; I would hope that the fact that it is a solid replacement for most of the "tradtional" systems would bring improvements in all areas - including weight. It does this to a degree, of course, but I still find a fully maxed-out rig to be quite heavy during handheld work. Just because film has been the standard for 100 years and just because some of those cameras can be quite heavy doesn't mean that's the way it *should* be. With close to no moving parts in a camera system these days and magazines being replaced with media the size of a postage stamp, I'm surprised at how heavy the camera still ends up being. On the other hand, as Antoine mentioned, I'd take this over the Dalsa form factor any day!
 
Hey Arrinick...
Not to resurrect another old thread, but I had no luck making chart tape or Letraset tape stick to my camera. In fact, I put some stickyback Velcro on the side to hang my remote start switch on and it's coming loose...
I do have a focus hook on each side and that seems to be a good enough visual cue for the ACs as well, when using the steel tape "freehand". Obviously the cloth tape goes on the hook. I still may bust out the Dremel and a straightedge and make my own film plane mark.
On topic,
I think the Red One is very comparable to a lightweight 35mm setup (think 235) or a tricked-out 416 or HD camera (in fact it might be lighter than a Sony 900)
No complaints about the weight here.
Cheers,
Harry
 
I had no luck making chart tape or Letraset tape stick to my camera. In fact, I put some stickyback Velcro on the side to hang my remote start switch on and it's coming loose...
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Did you wipe it down with a solvent first? There is always nail polish :-)

Nick
 
I just got my Cooke 18-100 a week ago... She is a full figured gal. Waiting a few more weeks for my camera to show up, Red #1639.

I've been tortured over the Matte Box situation, but there really isn't a hole lot that will fit on this 150mm front Cooke Lens... I've been debating about pulling the trigger on the MB14 but was trying to hold off until NAB to see if someone was releasing one a little more cost friendly.

I'm guessing the Arri is about $7K with side flags and and Eyebrow.
Where did you pick yours up from?

I'd love to see some shots of your setup with the Cooke & MB14! Post em...
 
Häakon said:
That's exactly what I was thinking. :) This is new technology; I would hope that the fact that it is a solid replacement for most of the "tradtional" systems would bring improvements in all areas - including weight. It does this to a degree, of course, but I still find a fully maxed-out rig to be quite heavy during handheld work. Just because film has been the standard for 100 years and just because some of those cameras can be quite heavy doesn't mean that's the way it *should* be. With close to no moving parts in a camera system these days and magazines being replaced with media the size of a postage stamp, I'm surprised at how heavy the camera still ends up being. On the other hand, as Antoine mentioned, I'd take this over the Dalsa form factor any day!
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I think you guys are greedy.:) It's a major improvement in weight in (let's just call it) the professional motion imaging category. 35 or 4k. In any handheld or remote config this thing is light. Especially with the ultra rods or CF. With the Optimo. Sure it is heavy. But that's the Optimo!

Compared to a HVX or something? Which of course is a different weight class and performance class.
 
You are crazy to try to do any hand-held work with a big zoom!
I own a Cooke 18-100 & a Cooke 25-250 and would never consider shooting hand-held with them.
That's what primes are for....
Now the RED 18-50 seems pretty tiny and I would think of it more like an Arri Variable-Prime lens, which still is a bit big to hand-hold...like a big c-scope prime.
Mattebox wise, I use both an Arri MB-14 & a smaller MB-12 with my 18-100. The 4x5.65 filter trays work will with the 18-100 as long as you are not shooting 4:3..widescreen is best. The 6.6x6.6" filters work great.
I have a lot of 138mm round filters that work fine on the 18-100..up to a point.
The 18-100 has a large front entrance pupil [front element] and a true 6" round filter would be best for it [for Polarizer & diopters].
The MB-14 will allow a 6" round filter insert as well as it's regular filter trays.
 
By the way are those top handles really beefy enough to pickup a 47lb rig?

I don't think that I would trust it... I'm going to be running the same setup and need to figure out how to put mine on a 7lb diet seeing that my head is only rated to 40lbs.

I wonder how this rig would look on the treadmill at the gym? The girls would definitely dig it...

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, I know step up and get an O'conner..
 
I'm more than a bit wary of the Red Top handle; no knock against Red, but I can't use both the regular Top Handle and the Extension Handle on the ET Cheese Plate without some home grown engineering.

I've got my guys working that out now; replacing the handle with a piece that will be the correct length, then I can have four screws holding the camera instead of just two.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo Ticheli
Director/Cinematographer
 
Tobeorx said:
I'm more than a bit wary of the Red Top handle; no knock against Red, but I can't use both the regular Top Handle and the Extension Handle on the ET Cheese Plate without some home grown engineering.

I've got my guys working that out now; replacing the handle with a piece that will be the correct length, then I can have four screws holding the camera instead of just two.

Good shooting and best regards,

Leo Ticheli
Director/Cinematographer
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Go for SIMS top handle. It is amazing...and SOLID...look on youtube for the clip of JDB standing on it...hilarious!

Regarding weight...yes, compared to what?

Have you seen a Dalsa...Try picking that beast up!

We had a RED built with the new 15.5-45 master zoom (what a sweet lens!), LCD, two batteries (SIM's new design). Vocas 450 mattebox. It was under 40lbs. I am thoroughly happy with the weight of this camera. Not too cumbersome, not too airy.

A perfect middleweight that delivers heavyweight images.

(whoops, I said the "D" word!)

Dylan Macleod
Cinematographer
Toronto, Canada
www.dylanmacleod.com
 
If anyone has shot ENG with a betacam package the weight is nothing new.

In fact its a tad lighter stripped down.
 
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