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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

back to pc, staying with premiere

L. Langer said:
I believe you mean to say "OpenCL", which is what Adobe will use when the software and hardware work properly.
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Ahhh, yes. That is what I meant. I just misspelled it. I wish someone from Adobe would shed some light when that might occur, and whether or not it will be as powerful as CUDA. Going OpenCL could be more cost-effective if they are comparable.
 
Elsie N said:
Ahhh, yes. That is what I meant. I just misspelled it. I wish someone from Adobe would shed some light when that might occur, and whether or not it will be as powerful as CUDA. Going OpenCL could be more cost-effective if they are comparable.
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Well if I had to make a bet based on what I know, probably the next version will have it implemented based on two facts: they have been talking about it for ages in their blogs/Q&A sessions and Apple has just given them a wedgie on the Mac by implementing it in their own products that compete with Adobe's product line, making it a selling point for their software on the Mac.
 
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Peter Osinski said:
hey guys

I would appreciate any thoughts or comments
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Check out http://videoguys.com/, look under the tab at the top, "Guides", look on that page for DIY 8 Hex Core. There's other recommendations in there too. They've been building and recommending DIY PC editing systems for years, and the first one I built by their recommendation still works solid and has never failed me.

Robert
 
Elsie N said:
I would like to ask if you have any opinions on the new AMD CPU/GPU combinations. I know that AMD only puts their own ATI graphics on the processor, but it is my understanding that Adobe will soon embrace Open GL in their software accelerations. Any thoughts?
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The new Fusion A-Series APUs are impressive, particularly for notebooks, but I don't think they are suited to an Adobe workflow today. The CPU part of the A-Series is basically an antique Phenom II core which lacks SSE4.x extensions - and this brings in some heavy performance hits for CS5.x. However, come 2012, and the next-gen Fusion will be a force - it will feature the updated Bulldozer architecture, and hopefully Adobe will provide GPU acceleration on AMD GPUs/APUs. So far, it is clear that Adobe is listening, so let's hope for the best.

On a side note, Cyberlink's PowerDirector 9 has been supporting heavy GPU acceleration for both NVIDIA and AMD for quite some time (rumoured to be using CUDA and DirectCompute under AMD APP instead of OpenCL). Yes, it's consumer software, but the engine is very impressive. Corel VideoStudio Pro too. A few Windows exclusive software have gone the DirectCompute route for GPU acceleration (supports all DirectX GPUs - AMD, NVIDIA upto DC5.0, Intel upto DC4.1). Of course, Adobe can't go for DirectCompute with CS as it is a multi-platform suite, and I know they strive for feature parity between Mac and Windows. So, OpenCL it will likely be - just a matter of when.

I think high(est) performance desktops will continue to use dedicated CPUs and discrete GPUs for quite some time, while the mainstream will be dominated by Fusion style APUs / CPU-GPU hybrids.
 
L. Langer said:
Well if I had to make a bet based on what I know, probably the next version will have it implemented based on two facts: they have been talking about it for ages in their blogs/Q&A sessions and Apple has just given them a wedgie on the Mac by implementing it in their own products that compete with Adobe's product line, making it a selling point for their software on the Mac.
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Subhadip Sen said:
The new Fusion A-Series APUs are impressive, particularly for notebooks, but I don't think they are suited to an Adobe workflow today. The CPU part of the A-Series is basically an antique Phenom II core which lacks SSE4.x extensions - and this brings in some heavy performance hits for CS5.x. However, come 2012, and the next-gen Fusion will be a force - it will feature the updated Bulldozer architecture, and hopefully Adobe will provide GPU acceleration on AMD GPUs/APUs. So far, it is clear that Adobe is listening, so let's hope for the best.

On a side note, Cyberlink's PowerDirector 9 has been supporting heavy GPU acceleration for both NVIDIA and AMD for quite some time (rumoured to be using CUDA and DirectCompute under AMD APP instead of OpenCL). Yes, it's consumer software, but the engine is very impressive. Corel VideoStudio Pro too. A few Windows exclusive software have gone the DirectCompute route for GPU acceleration (supports all DirectX GPUs - AMD, NVIDIA upto DC5.0, Intel upto DC4.1). Of course, Adobe can't go for DirectCompute with CS as it is a multi-platform suite, and I know they strive for feature parity between Mac and Windows. So, OpenCL it will likely be - just a matter of when.

I think high(est) performance desktops will continue to use dedicated CPUs and discrete GPUs for quite some time, while the mainstream will be dominated by Fusion style APUs / CPU-GPU hybrids.
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Thanks guys... Peter, sorry for the momentary derail.
 
L. Langer said:
Well if I had to make a bet based on what I know, probably the next version will have it implemented based on two facts: they have been talking about it for ages in their blogs/Q&A sessions and Apple has just given them a wedgie on the Mac by implementing it in their own products that compete with Adobe's product line, making it a selling point for their software on the Mac.
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We are constantly watching trends and testing different technology. OpenCL is quite behind Cuda in its capabilities. I am waiting to here how extensive it is used in our competitors product. I have my suspicions.. If and when OpenCL is advanced enough to accelerate our engine we would consider adding it to the product.

Cheers

Dave
 
hey guys

thanks for all your help. I ended up purchasing the following setup

intel core i7 sandy bridge 2600k quad core 3.4ghz (8 core with hyper threading)
asus p8z68 v pro motherboard
16GB RAM (4x4gb)
64GB samsung sad drive for os and apps
4x 1tb HD drives in raid 5 controlled by motherboard
2x 23" LED screens 1920x1080 made by doc
nvidia gtx570 by evga
adesso pen pad for graphics work
wireless keyboard and mouse
antec 900 case
antic power supply and cpu heatsink
adobe production premium cs5.5
windows 7 ultimate

all together it came to about 2500-2600 bucks. I'm installing cs5.5 tomorrow and will let you know how it does.

I was working on multi cam red projects with cs4 on a 10GB octocore mac pro from 2008 without problems. I fully expect this computer to chew up r3d's, avchd's, and uncompressed 5dtorgb files, and spit them out in real time.

side note: I am going to have fully filled my 64gb boot drive with only windows ultimate, cs5.5, microsoft word and excel. if anyone else is going with a similar setup and ssd's i would recommend a bigger drive.
 
Nice setup! I have quite similar setup, with GTX285 though. Works great with Premiere, Photoshop and After Effects work.

FYI if you want to free some space on the SSD, I found that Windows 7 creates by default as large pagefile as there is memory in the system. I have 16GB ram, so the pagefile was also 16GB, which is definitely not necessary, so I changed the setting to 1GB, and also changed a setting that deleted something called hiberfil.sys (was about 12GB, only needed if you want the machine to hibernate), and voila, in a few minutes I had 30GB more space on the SSD.

Sorry if this was off-topic :)
 
Peter Osinski said:
where is this page file? i wold love to free up 15GB pf space
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Type "pagefile" in the Start menu. However, disabling it is not recommended because if your RAM overflows your computer will freeze or crash. A better idea is moving the pagefile to a hard drive and maybe reducing it. 16GB of RAM is sufficient for Premiere Pro for most purposes, but if you were to use a RAM guzzling app, be sure to increase your pagefile accordingly.
 
Timo Teravainen said:
and also changed a setting that deleted something called hiberfil.sys
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It's around the size as the RAM (i.e in your case 16GB), as hibernate leaves a copy of the RAM content on your system drive. Easy way to disable via Microsoft link
Peter Osinski said:
where is this page file? i wold love to free up 15GB pf space
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A Windows OS can get unstable without/too small page file, so the settings to change it are hidden. I'd reduce it to like 1GB on the SSD and in turn set "system managed" on your RAID.
You can see here how to change it, or look at the image below.
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All in all you should be able to free up 30GB.
Regards, Matt
 
I would just like to point out that this thread was started by a poster who announced his intention to buy an HP rig because he couldn't trust Apple to continue selling Mac Pros; and that it is, in fact, HP that has decided to stop selling computers.
 
Darrell Moore said:
I would just like to point out that this thread was started by a poster who announced his intention to buy an HP rig because he couldn't trust Apple to continue selling Mac Pros; and that it is, in fact, HP that has decided to stop selling computers.
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Except that by buying a PC he hasn't locked himself into a single source supplier and can choose from hundreds of other manufacturers to get identical hardware and software :wink:

Cheers from Tokyo,

Paul :)
 
Welcome to the dark side!

I built my PC this past Fall and have been loving it since. If a client asks for .R3D files in ProRes then you have to use a Mac, really it's the only reason I curently have both. I have intentions of using PC for everything but the transition isn't totally complete, hopefully people will stop using FCP but who knows when that will be.

I built an AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition Thuban 3.3GHz_16GB RAM_120GB SSD_Nvidia 470 Fermi 1.2GB GPU_SATA III & USB 3.0 all for around $1400. I sold a 2007 Mac Pro for $1k and got this badboy talk about an upgrade for $400 more ;)
 
ok so let me preface this by saying I love adobe, cs5.5 seems sweet so far

installing cs5.5 was an absolute nightmare. I had some error with the flash player because the version i had was newer than the one in the suite. It caused so many problems that the adobe people couldnt even fix it or get PPro and AE to install when controlling my computer remotely. I had to completely reinstall my OS from scratch to get it to work.

if anyone ever gets "error code 6" when installing...just pray to god....and maybe send me a PM
 
Hah, my Mac Pro just died, so I need to take it in and hope the repair bill isn't too much. But I suspect it will be so I'm in the market for a new computer... Given the cost (and lack of updates) I'm not buying another Mac Pro anytime soon.

On a note, my brother and I built his new PC from scratch two weeks ago for under $1000 and it's pretty sweet, I'd likely spend more money but looking at FInal Cut Pro X complaints I'm not sure Macs are going to be the powerhouse they once were for video...

Thoughts on switching to a PC? I'm currently using CS5 so I know I will take a hit in software... Any spec suggestions for working with RED cameras (no I can't afford a red card, I'm looking towards a Scarlet for my price range)?

Anyone try to upgrade from CS5Mac to CS5.5PC? Can it be done?
 
That's my next workstation, should have it in a few days. I've tested it at the shop. It's amazing.

Lian Li V2120 Black with Acoustic foam.
Cooler Master Silent Pro Gold 1200w
Evga SR2 (7xpci 16x !)
INTEL Xeon 5680 3,33 Ghz X 2
Waterblock EK
Corsair 3 x 8 Go 2000 Mhz ECC (24 go)
SSD Crucial 128 Go Sata 3 C300 x 1 (system+miscellanous files+recover)
SSD Crucial 40Go Sata II (CS5 + Resolve PC)
WD 2 to 7200 RPM S-ATA III Caviar Black 64 Mo x 4 (raid)
LG Graveur DVD lecteur Blu Ray
PNY Quadro 4000 2Gb
PNY Geforce GTX 580
Adaptec RAID 6405 Sata 3 4 Ports
Belkin FireWire 800 and USB 2.0 PCI Express Card
Lecteur de cartes multimédia CF II
Premiere Pro Logic Keyboard + jog
Logitech Mouse
Windows Seven Pro 64 Bits

Not cheap though. Of course you could build a 1000$ pc but It may work slower than a not too old 2 cpu apple unit, or even maybe your dead macpro
I always tell my clients that horsepower is what I need as I can setup my OS not to crash, after that it's a matter of taste. I don't like Apple OS skin.
So why pay more ? for a bit less, or the same price as a powerfull Macpro, you can have a killer PC (like the listed above) With Windows 7 64, crashing and BSOD are not an issue anymore. btw, if you really like apple OS skin, just download it, there are a lot available for w7 and they are cute and round.

Th epoint is, don't get a too cheap PC, you can have trouble with some parts.
 
Usually Adobe recommended to fix the pagefile doubling the ram you had installed for min and max values. So if you had 16Gb you allocate 32Gb. I don't know if that is still like that.
 
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