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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Attitude adjustment...

Nikhil Kamkolkar said:
It'd help if you toned down your delirious laughter in some of your posts.

I'm an indie filmmaker who bought an EPIC on a credit card loan. My goals for the purchase were clear and rentals was never a core element. But a big safety net was that if things went downhill for me (who's saying it can't in this economy), then I could sell the camera and pay off much of the loan. That safety net is gone for me.

For others, its worse.

I'm an eternal outsider. I like disruption. I relate to RED. My first feature was shot on an ARRI BL3 and 35mm film. I swore never again. RED enabled me to keep that promise to myself. I have an EPIC-X, and will continue to invest in the RED ecosystem (as long as they don't become like Apple, ever).

All that said, I'm not going to go around laughing at the pain (legitimate pain) others might be feeling.


And one more thing...you are DAMN RIGHT I'LL BE ORDERING. I'm ecstatic. And if he started paying people to take them next month, I wouldn't care one bit. I'd get in line for those, too.

For all the advice being thrown around here asking people to stop whining, let me add one too - stop laughing at others and go place an order. Heck, for TWO EPICs, not just one. And go on your merry way.

Cool?
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Sir, if that's all you are hearing from me...you are NOT hearing me. And plus, that post I responded to was more about the FUD everyone kicks around, and how certain individuals love to try to keep themselves in a nice, soft cushy place -- protected from competition. It had nothing to do with you in your situation. I swear that.

For all intents and purposes, I am you. But I wrote this as well in another post:


If I could have purchased an EPIC M the moment they were released, I would have. And I would not be feeling ripped off now. I'd be happy for others able to experience the same. My cameras will work irrespective of their resale value -- whether it is because they are being rented to the next ad agency that commissions my company, or it is because I'm shooting something in my friend's apartment (as Mr. Rob Ruffo so demeaningly put it). So again, this has more to do with original intent for purchase than most anything else.

There is always a way. I wish you nothing but prosperity, and you sound very capable. I don't have a feature yet -- that's a huge deal. You figured that out, you can tackle anything...irrespective of what comes your way. I have confidence in you. For real.

Sorry you perceived my laughter as an attack. I should tone it down, but that comment really hit home for me.

---OH and one more thing...You are damn right I'll be ordering. Trying to figure it out now. I'm flippin' ecstatic. And my attitude would not change if Jim and company started paying people to take them off their hands next month. I'd get in a line with a box of cigars, and a thank you card. I just have a different outlook. I guess.
 
Tim Whitcomb said:
thank the fucking Cylons This is AWESOME news!
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Hahaha. I feel guilty laughing now. Hahaha. But this is bringing out the awesome in a lot of people.
 
I'm sure there will be a continuous stream of emotions that will hover around price and "what I could have saved if I bought now", but fear not, RED has always had our backs and rewarded us with their support as we have rewarded them with ours. Thank you RED TEAM!
 
Oden Roberts said:
And the stories you tell with the tool. :)
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Some people get it. Go, dude. Be unique. Be yourself. Show the world what you can do. There will be enough work out there for every talented soul. Think about it this way...everyone has a website. Everyone wants branding to some degree now - whether you're selling someone else, or yourself. Intellectual property is king. Control your content. All will be fine.
 
I have been following Red since its inception, from those early posts on the Panasonic discussion forum to Reduser now. Seeing this company grow from nothing more than an idea to what Red has blossomed into has been one of the most fascinating things to watch. The story of Red is a case study that should to be taught to all young college students hoping to learn about starting a business from the ground up. I am a tech geek, and a cinema geek, and I have watched Red with a particular interest. Years ago I had the opportunity to work on a few feature films when I lived in Los Angeles, and on other smaller projects when I moved back home to Wilmington NC. These experiences whetted my appetite for cinema tech and for movie making in general. Unfortunately I no longer work in the industry but I keep up with the tech side as much as I can. This morning I browsed Endgadget and came across the story concerning the recent substantial price drops across the entire Red camera line. I was gobsmacked that they were so large, but this wicked little grin began to form across my face. Jim and company had just put one across the bow of Sony, Panasonic, JVC, and the entire industry. With the announcement a few days ago by Sony that they were introducing a new line of "budget" cinema cameras, I wondered how Red would respond. To my great surprise and amusement, Red hit back hard and fast, which is just what they have to do in order to survive in one of the most competitive industries in the world. High end video cameras used to be cash cows for Sony, Panasonic, JVC, and Cannon. Actual cinema cameras were in a completely different league. We, as consumers were given incremental improvements with each camera update but by gosh we paid dearly for those few "professional" features that the overlords at those aforementioned companies deemed us worthy of receiving. We got a few extra bells and whistles but in actuality, the technology was at a standstill and we never really got the tools that we longed for. Along came Red with a transformational product (the Red One), and now the entire industry has been shaken to its very core and is being rebuilt right before our eyes. All of those companies that used to just cruise along, designing products with incremental upgrade paths that stretched into eternity have now woken up to the fact that we as consumers (and potential customers) have many choices and will buy the tools that give us the most bang for the buck. To all those who purchased an Epic or Scarlett at the higher price, I empathize with your perception that you have taken a big hit compared to people who will choose to purchase the cameras at the new lower prices. I'm sure it stings a little, and I'm also sure that Red did not change their pricing strategy without careful consideration of the feelings of its core customers. They have shown time and time again that their mission is to give the greatest value to their customers and whenever possible, to reward their enthusiasm and loyalty with special upgrade offers and other free stuff. Sony and Panasonic never did that for me and I doubt that they ever will. Red is such a small company compared to Sony and the others, and their pockets are nowhere near as deep but they are trading blow for blow in what will likely be a fight to the death. That is the attitude of a company that plans not only survive but to thrive as well, and that is what will help us all out in the long run. For those that paid the higher price for their Epics and Scarletts, you now have an opportunity to grow your business by acquiring even more equipment for less. For others, like myself, it is now possible to purchase a Red Epic and a few other accessories and to follow my passion for storytelling. As more and more people adopt the Red platform, Red will become a defacto standard, and more and more companies will manufacture cool new stuff (at lower prices) to cater to our needs. When this happens, we all win. This is what real capitalism is all about, and as long as Red continues to improve their products and charge us less for them, then this is what we should applaud and support. I wish more companies had the same ethos and spirit that Red has because our nation would be better for it. - Thomas H.
 
Have any of you rental houses considered that you may actually get more rentals from all the other stuff that is required to make a good picture. Sure DPs may have their own camera, but many don't own their own lights and lenses etc?
 
I completely agree Thomas! I have been following RED for a number of years now and only got my Scarlet earlier this year. I see the time I have had with my camera an exciting learning experience worth what I paid for it at the time. Now I will be able to take what I learned with my Scarlet and use it when I purchase an Epic.
 
Bob Gundu said:
Have any of you rental houses considered that you may actually get more rentals from all the other stuff that is required to make a good picture. Sure DPs may have their own camera, but many don't own their own lights and lenses etc?
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+1

It's like no one is considering this -- All the extras that go along with creating an accomplished image in most cases (albeit a lot less with certain sensors - :) ). This will be a significant benefit for other industries... (where are all the lenses going to come from?) And we're going to need processing power; a wise man is probably looking to invest in computing. As many others have mentioned, should RED figure out a really affordable, blazing fast, turnkey post pipe...the game really is over. Sure others will come along to offer competition, but I know where I'm going to be.

This wouldn't be happening without several of the visionaries who are silently reading each of your comments.
 
Thomas H said:
I have been following Red since its inception, from those early posts on the Panasonic discussion forum to Reduser now. Seeing this company grow from nothing more than an idea to what Red has blossomed into has been one of the most fascinating things to watch. The story of Red is a case study that should to be taught to all young college students hoping to learn about starting a business from the ground up. I am a tech geek, and a cinema geek, and I have watched Red with a particular interest. Years ago I had the opportunity to work on a few feature films when I lived in Los Angeles, and on other smaller projects when I moved back home to Wilmington NC. These experiences whetted my appetite for cinema tech and for movie making in general. Unfortunately I no longer work in the industry but I keep up with the tech side as much as I can. This morning I browsed Endgadget and came across the story concerning the recent substantial price drops across the entire Red camera line. I was gobsmacked that they were so large, but this wicked little grin began to form across my face. Jim and company had just put one across the bow of Sony, Panasonic, JVC, and the entire industry. With the announcement a few days ago by Sony that they were introducing a new line of "budget" cinema cameras, I wondered how Red would respond. To my great surprise and amusement, Red hit back hard and fast, which is just what they have to do in order to survive in one of the most competitive industries in the world. High end video cameras used to be cash cows for Sony, Panasonic, JVC, and Cannon. Actual cinema cameras were in a completely different league. We, as consumers were given incremental improvements with each camera update but by gosh we paid dearly for those few "professional" features that the overlords at those aforementioned companies deemed us worthy of receiving. We got a few extra bells and whistles but in actuality, the technology was at a standstill and we never really got the tools that we longed for. Along came Red with a transformational product (the Red One), and now the entire industry has been shaken to its very core and is being rebuilt right before our eyes. All of those companies that used to just cruise along, designing products with incremental upgrade paths that stretched into eternity have now woken up to the fact that we as consumers (and potential customers) have many choices and will buy the tools that give us the most bang for the buck. To all those who purchased an Epic or Scarlett at the higher price, I empathize with your perception that you have taken a big hit compared to people who will choose to purchase the cameras at the new lower prices. I'm sure it stings a little, and I'm also sure that Red did not change their pricing strategy without careful consideration of the feelings of its core customers. They have shown time and time again that their mission is to give the greatest value to their customers and whenever possible, to reward their enthusiasm and loyalty with special upgrade offers and other free stuff. Sony and Panasonic never did that for me and I doubt that they ever will. Red is such a small company compared to Sony and the others, and their pockets are nowhere near as deep but they are trading blow for blow in what will likely be a fight to the death. That is the attitude of a company that plans not only survive but to thrive as well, and that is what will help us all out in the long run. For those that paid the higher price for their Epics and Scarletts, you now have an opportunity to grow your business by acquiring even more equipment for less. For others, like myself, it is now possible to purchase a Red Epic and a few other accessories and to follow my passion for storytelling. As more and more people adopt the Red platform, Red will become a defacto standard, and more and more companies will manufacture cool new stuff (at lower prices) to cater to our needs. When this happens, we all win. This is what real capitalism is all about, and as long as Red continues to improve their products and charge us less for them, then this is what we should applaud and support. I wish more companies had the same ethos and spirit that Red has because our nation would be better for it. - Thomas H.
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Damn that's eloquent. Beast.

Concur completely.
 
Umm also I think you would be at the back of the line for a BMCC if you purchased today and who knows when it would ship as well as those who are reselling are trying to gouge everyone by selling for $4000+ so where exactly is the benefit to owning that camera anymore?
 
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