Arri Alexa and Mysterium-X...

[Wesley Scoggins]

im wondering too many redfans aware of arri doing cameras for 90 years ?

True, but people have only been considering digital cinematographer as a serious competitor to the quality of film for the last decade.

I mean people have been predicting that a digital camera would be developed that would surpass film for about 20-30 years. (George Lucas said similar things back in the 80's I believe.)

But as far as the technology and workflow actually being viable, that's barely existed for a decade.

That's why Red can compete, everyone was starting from square one on this, it's a brand new market, that's why a small start-up can create cameras that can meet or surpass the developments of much larger (and much older), companies.

 

[Michael Hastings]

im wondering too many redfans aware of arri doing cameras for 90 years ?

Maybe at analog, mechanical film cine cameras but not with digital.

Everyone at digital S35mm sized camera field is a newbie:

Arri, Sony, Panavision, Vision Research/Phantom, RED, Aaton, etc,...

Wow, for once I agree with sanjin. Arri is a great company with a well-deserved reputation. But digital cinema is a whole new race, and pretty much everyone starts in the first row. "Gentlemen, start your engines!"

 

[Martin Stevens]

im wondering too many redfans aware of arri doing cameras for 90 years ?

I love Arri, but they only have a few years experience making digital cameras.

 

[M Most]

I love Arri, but they only have a few years experience making digital cameras.

The Arriscan, which uses the same CMOS sensor technology, has been around since 2004. The D20 was introduced in 2005. Granted, that's not a long time, but it's a bit longer than one might think.

 

[Robert Horwell]

Lets not forget Aaton, the digital back for the Penelope is on the starting blocks too. I wait with anticipation to see this.

 

[Tim H.]

I love Arri, but they only have a few years experience making digital cameras.

Very true but what does it tell you about Arri (and Red) that they can make cameras that are far better than most of the ENG to CineAlta/Digital Cinema cameras that manufacturers like Sony and Panasonic make and those guys have how many years of experience making digital cameras and well cameras in general?

 

[Nova Invicta]

Tim H

Sony and Panasonic are not out of the race and lets not forget the bull in the china shop Canon either in fact were more likely to see other entrants in the future!

 

[Nova Invicta]

David Mullins wrote: "the rental houses and other companies with deep pockets"
Unfortunately most rental houses DONT have deep pockets they are by and large struggling to survive whether large or small gone are the days of good returns and Red One is partially responsible for that as cameras have become commodities rather that a specialist item.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Wow, for once I agree with sanjin. Arri is a great company with a well-deserved reputation. But digital cinema is a whole new race, and pretty much everyone starts in the first row. "Gentlemen, start your engines!"

With Arri Alexa you still have to carry HD-SDI field mobile recorder on your back.

Onboard recording is only for ProRes editing proxy files.

LINK>>>

 

[Nova Invicta]

Most of the studios re-scans of old movies at 4K are in fact for Blue-ray releases thats exactly why WB are doing it.

 

[Nova Invicta]

Sanjin
The Alexa also works with the Codex on-board recorder that can record at 4:4:4 with a 3.1 to 8.1 compression. You can also record dual stream 4:4:4 for 3D using only one on-board recorder for two cameras and it weighs 5.6lbs!

 

[Martin Stevens]

Most of the studios re-scans of old movies at 4K are in fact for Blue-ray releases thats exactly why WB are doing it.

WB can and WILL also use these 4K scans when 4K home media hits the market.

 

[Sanjin Jukic]

Sanjin
The Alexa also works with the Codex on-board recorder that can record at 4:4:4 with a 3.1 to 8.1 compression. You can also record dual stream 4:4:4 for 3D using only one on-board recorder for two cameras and it weighs 5.6lbs!

On-board means mostly as a part of camera body because everything you add that is not original part of the camera body design should be considered as an external addition whatever it is.

So Codex or whatever else in the case of Alexa HD-SDI uncompressed/Arri RAW 1080p recording should be now considered as an external HD-SDI field recording unit.

 

[Michael Hastings]

On-board means mostly as a part of camera body because everything you add that is not original part of the camera body design should be considered as an external addition whatever it is.

So Codex or whatever else in the case of Alexa HD-SDI uncompressed/Arri RAW 1080p recording should be now considered as an external HD-SDI field recording unit.

So what?

 

[Scott Crawley]

Sorry Sanjin,

But on-board means attached, like Anton Bauer battery packs are on-board power. Like yourself, when you board a boat or plane... You get on board. You seem to be confusing the term with integrated.

*
on·board or on-board *(n-bôrd, -brd, ôn-)
adj.
Carried or used aboard a vehicle or vessel: onboard radar systems.
on·board adv.

in·te·grate *(nt-grt)
v. inte·grat·ed, inte·grat·ing, inte·grates
v.tr.
1. To make into a whole by bringing all parts together; unify.
2.
a. To join with something else; unite.
b. To make part of a larger unit: integrated the new procedures into the work routine.
3.
a. To open to people of all races or ethnic groups without restriction; desegregate.
b. To admit (a racial or ethnic group) to equal membership in an institution or society.
4. Mathematics
a. To calculate the integral of.
b. To perform integration on.
5. Psychology To bring about the integration of (personality traits).
v.intr.
To become integrated or undergo integration.
[From Middle English, intact, from Latin integrtus, past participle of integrre, to make whole, from integer, complete; see tag- in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

 

[Steve G]

On-board means mostly as a part of camera body because everything you add that is not original part of the camera body design should be considered as an external addition whatever it is.

Nonsense.

 

[Nova Invicta]

Sanjin
So the SRW-1 on an F35 is not part of the camera? get real you post a picture of the recorder for Alexa on a back pack and when its pointed out you can fit the Codex on-board which fits like a magazine its not part of the camera? so will that apply to Epic or Scarlett camera bodies? We know your biased but this time you make yourself look silly.

 

[Gavin Greenwalt]

Sanjin
So the SRW-1 on an F35 is not part of the camera? get real you post a picture of the recorder for Alexa on a back pack and when its pointed out you can fit the Codex on-board which fits like a magazine its not part of the camera? so will that apply to Epic or Scarlett camera bodies? We know your biased but this time you make yourself look silly.

I'm kind of with Sanjin on this one. I wouldn't consider the RED-RAID "onboard".

And yes I would say that the F35 has no onboard recording solutions. Although that's something of an exception to the rule since it's almost integrated into the design. I see no such 'integrated' mounting point on the Alexa for an S.Two or on the REDOne for a REDRaid. As soon as there is a cable connecting the two I don't consider it part the package anymore.

Arri though disagrees with me so I'll defer to their own definitions for their product. They can define it however they want. I still think though that there has to be a distinction between something integrated and something tacked on.

The two recording links can alternatively be used to output the ARRIRAW T-link signal, which can be recorded by a number of certified third party on-board recorders.

 

[Stuart English]

Recording options

Recording options

I think it's clear what Sanjin meant, there can be a major size / weight / power / cost difference between an "integrated" and "attached" recorder.

Does anyone have an image showing these cameras with and without an "attached" recorder?

( And yes, RED-DRIVE could arguably fit this "attached" recorder description )

Let's leave "on-board" alone as a phrase, its meaning is being badly mangled.

 

[Scott Crawley]

And yes I would say that the F35 has no onboard recording solutions. Although that's something of an exception to the rule since it's almost integrated into the design. I see no such 'integrated' mounting point on the Alexa for an S.Two or on the REDOne for a REDRaid. As soon as there is a cable connecting the two I don't consider it part the package anymore.

I'll refer again to the definitions previously posted. If the unit mounts directly on the camera, then it is officially on-board. I haven't read the Arri (edit: or Codex) material, but in the references Sanjin makes I didn't see them using the word integrated.

It's a simple misunderstanding IMO, and a distinction hardly worth making. It is what it is; an attachable, third party recorder.