Arguments for Dragon over Arri Mini?

[David W. Jones]

Lets be honest, all things being equal, lighting, grip, crew and such, you could sub almost any modern camera into position and capture the shot. That's how far technology has advanced in 2016. Even that show you like Chris, Better Call Saul uses GH4 cameras to get certain shots. And nobody at home watching knows which shots are GH4 or Red, nor do they even care. Choosing a camera shouldn't be about brand recognition or pier pressure on an internet forum. It should be about choosing the right toolset for the job at hand.

All he best!

Dave

 

[Christoffer Glans]

It should be about choosing the right toolset for the job at hand.

All he best!
Dave

That's what I've been saying here. But that the focus needs to be more on what camera which operates according to the project. There's too much focus on the colors and image, not that the camera operates differently and how that affects the type of film or project that's going to be shot. Because both cameras are superb in their images, I think the image is secondary to other things about them.

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Nothing against red.. love red..Jim and company have done alot for the industry... i still love my epic mx..

However the majority of my professional work is arri..

85% id say..

Red is great for the owner operator, and it does get used in big productions. Just from a business stand point, if I was in the camera rental biz...id put my money on what is most requested

 

[Zakaree Sandberg]

Lets be honest, all things being equal, lighting, grip, crew and such, you could sub almost any modern camera into position and capture the shot. That's how far technology has advanced in 2016. Even that show you like Chris, Better Call Saul uses GH4 cameras to get certain shots. And nobody at home watching knows which shots are GH4 or Red, nor do they even care. Choosing a camera shouldn't be about brand recognition or pier pressure on an internet forum. It should be about choosing the right toolset for the job at hand.

All he best!

Dave

This....

Ive personally done little camera tests where i tell people its a new camera.. when it fact it was the red one..funny watching the people take the bait

 

[Sabovic Adis]

No, he and they wanted Red because A) Red gave them flexibility to tailor cameras and tech to their needs (like the Carbon Red One), B) The resolution gave them the ability to do the advanced stabilization, reframing, split-editing without loosing resolution quality of the final master output. And C) Because they seem to prefer the look.

Fincher has never been into 35mm, he didn't like anamorphic and have always said it makes him feel limited. Not hard to guess what he thought about the Alexa essentially being a digital representation of 35mm at a low resolution capture.

References for this info can be found in numerous information about their productions.

A) More likely, one does tailor one's needs (wishes?) to what's already there and what's doable.
B) Interestingly, 4K of then is not 4K enough for today. (Think BBC :biggrin
C) Can't argue with that one. :rofl:

Regarding 35 mm, it's more the time it takes to see the dailies that, I think, makes him feel limited, than anamorphics and colours. (Digital is dangerously fast, almost too fast in my opinion)
He is a director, and directors don't do all that "technical stuff".
After all, he directed things like Alien 3, or Se7en, on film and with anamorphics, and they looked, in my opinion, absolutely fantastic. :biggrin:

 

[Aaron michaels]

Their money, Their vision...R1 vs 35mm R1 vs Epic-x. My opinion...I think everyone now a days are caught up in the hype and not the craft. really, how many of us have produced the films we said we were going to do with the first camera? Now you have a better camera and then a greater one. We watch films and try to guess what they might have shot it on, I was guilty of the same thing So I didn't put my all in my films because i didn't have the camera i wanted for my feature films so I held back. people liked them but the asked why didn't you do all the things you talked about in the film? I felt we needed a 35mm film camera or the Epic or R1 everything I couldn't afford. this was a mistake but i learned to shoot the shhh out of what you have and If someone ask what you shot it on as if it makes a great difference then they missed the picture.

 

[Marc Wielage]

Lets be honest, all things being equal, lighting, grip, crew and such, you could sub almost any modern camera into position and capture the shot. That's how far technology has advanced in 2016.

I think that's true, once you get past a certain price point and quality level. I don't think anybody cares if you shoot Alexa, Canon, Panasonic, Red, or Sony, because you'll be able to get a reasonable look out of it. (And there are those who like Blackmagic Ursa, and I've seen them and they surprised me by how good they were.)

Vittorio Storaro just was part of an extensive article on how he shot Woody Allen's new movie on Sony F65, and his camera evaluations were very interesting:

http://www.filmanddigitaltimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/75FDTimes-Storaro-PassageToDigital.pdf

I think it's fair to say that cinematographers at this level could shoot on anything and nobody would bat an eye. I don't have a problem with DPs who lean towards one camera or another (or even film), because there are always subtle image characteristics that are better in one camera than others. I don't think we'll ever be at a point where everybody agrees that a certain camera will be fantastic for everything 100% of the time.

 

[Rodrigo Prata]

Talking about inherent differences between Dragon and Alexa,

I think Dragon colours are really good, like, really really good. All the recent Taylor Swift clips were shot on Dragon sensor cameras and vey experienced DPs often think that they were shot on Alexa.

But the Dragon sensor has something about it that to me, looks more clinical. I think it's because it has an insane amount of detail, and at the same time it's actually very smooth. That smoothness combined with insane resolution may be what gives it a clinical look (like, life like clinical). The MX sensor had resolution but the image was somewhat harsher. The Alexa don't look that clinical to me

 

[Elias Tejeda]

Bump

Whats everying using for in-camera settings (no luts or iipp2) that gets closer to alexa look for "those" clients?