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Professional means being able to plan your hardware rollouts on your own time-frame not someone else's. It doesn't matter if Apple releases a computer "someday". Without being able to reliably predict and anticipate upgrades *when needed* Apple's approach is already dead.
If you need new computers today, you need new computers today. You should never put your own business at the mercy of another company when there are equal or better alternatives that don't dictate your schedule. We're ordering 5 new computers today or tomorrow. 1/3rd the price of a mac pro and just as fast--using the latest chipsets and hardware. An Intel Xeon is an Intel Xeon. An i7 is an i7. There's no reason to wait 5 years for a brushed metal case and out of date chips.
Steve jobs had 2 years to update the mac pro. Look how long Apple stubbornly stuck to PowerPC long after it was dramatically slower than Intel. Look how Apple still has inferior graphics chip options even though programs like Premiere are heavily using GPUs. They've never really cared.
Steve Jobs killed Shake. The most popular professional compositing application on earth. They've never cared.
OT:
Concerning the stickers:
I wanted to order 3 stickers and get +76$ shipping?!
I mean ok the 200$ for a Cam+Accessories is a lot of money, but this...
heh heh love you Shawn... now you know just how much you putting that sticker there means to us.
Remember.. true story... Jim and I used to hand make every sticker we sold on RED.com while we were waiting for the Red One to show up.
Seriously.
He would line the big roll of 3m paper on the plotter and print each one out and then cut each one and i would laminate them, we would do that in the middle of the night, each and every week as we waited for some code to cook or some hardware to come out of the oven. Pretty Crazy.
So all of you that have those old stickers, there was ALOT of love put into each and every one of them.
100% agree with both Taylor and Gavin. When I walk into a shop and only see mac's I start "worrying", and instantly start restricting the type of jobs that shop will get.Well said, Gavin. I've been waiting a long time for a new Mac Pro, just because migrating away from the Apple ecosystem is a big headache.
But I know that my work and business have suffered some in the meantime, due to longer render times, decreased productivity, etc.
Sorry for your experience... I have had just the opposite. I have had 28 years of a romance with Apple. That's why this moment in time matters to me.
Every company is at a crossroads every year, maybe every few months. This is especially true with a technology company.
You either measure up or you fall... no matter how big you are "last year". RED is no different.
In this business you have to pay attention. Carefully. Or you lose.
My bet is that Apple will pay attention. They have too much to lose if they don't.
Jim
When I walk into a shop and only see mac's I start "worrying", and instantly start restricting the type of jobs that shop will get. What I like to see is a few macs, bunch of windows machines hooked to a windows farm, then that is hooked to a linux grid.
Cool place, but I'm assuming they have linux render farms that I can't see. BTW ... thing i LOVE to see in a shop is people doing VFX in python, and their work on PYMEL is very cool. I think there is a difference in a shop that uses Mac's because they want to, vs a shop where people are afraid to use linux/windows. I'm perty sure the PYMEL guys are not afraid of linuxWow. I find your post fascinating...unfortunately not in the good way.
You should check out the VFX company Luma Pictures (http://lumapictures.com) in Santa Monica, CA. Their shop is unique in the industry in that it's based around off-the-shelf applications and runs primarily on Macs. This was a very deliberate decision according to the founders. I don't know for sure but they more than likely have a few Windows machines lying around and probably use a Linux based render farm.
Brian, I'm in VFX and use every single one of the applications you mentioned. Everyone is free to make their own choices. For this second right now, and likely moving well on into the next year - I would not buy a mac to run these applications. I would recommend studios have some macs around for design work, among other things. But once you're in any of those applications it's all the same and it doesn't matter... except performance. Windows is running most of those at the same speed or faster, not to mention that you can get vastly superior performance options at a vastly smaller price when configuring a PC. If you want to run OSX, go ahead and do it. But the hardware offerings aren't up to snuff, for me. Yeah, course you could always get some stuff done... but why be foolish about it? If you need a new machine now, you need to go PC. You're not locked in a black hole... whenever Apple delivers, I'm sure they'll still let you buy one.
Now, if you wanna talk about the new MBP, that thing is beautiful and I'll get one. Why? Because it's the best laptop out there. Can't say the same thing about the rest of the line. Sorry, but let's be real.
This Apple/Windows rhetoric is stale and highly irritating. It doesn't matter what you're using, so get on with it...
Brian, I'm in VFX and use every single one of the applications you mentioned. Everyone is free to make their own choices. For this second right now, and likely moving well on into the next year - I would not buy a mac to run these applications. I would recommend studios have some macs around for design work, among other things. But once you're in any of those applications it's all the same and it doesn't matter... except performance. Windows is running most of those at the same speed or faster, not to mention that you can get vastly superior performance options at a vastly smaller price when configuring a PC. If you want to run OSX, go ahead and do it. But the hardware offerings aren't up to snuff, for me. Yeah, course you could always get some stuff done... but why be foolish about it? If you need a new machine now, you need to go PC. You're not locked in a black hole... whenever Apple delivers, I'm sure they'll still let you buy one.
Now, if you wanna talk about the new MBP, that thing is beautiful and I'll get one. Why? Because it's the best laptop out there. Can't say the same thing about the rest of the line. Sorry, but let's be real.
This Apple/Windows rhetoric is stale and highly irritating. It doesn't matter what you're using, so get on with it...
...will shake the core of the Apple professional.
...purgatory when Steve was gone and Sculley (and others) completely screwed up Apple. I expect this moment in time to be just another brief moment in Apple limbo...
Jim
Let's assume everything that people complain is wrong with Mac Pros is actually true. Luma still manages to get high end, high profile work and produce exemplary images with them...[SNIP]...Luma is an example of a place that makes the tools (and not necessarily the very best tools) work for them on a very high level. I would think people would find that inspiring.