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Apple sued over iPad overheating

Hrvoje Simic

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Lawsuit is irrelevant. Handheld device shuts down in normal conditions because of overheating.

"Little quick" ? How many blunders do you need ?
 
Ive never had a problem with my ipad and ive beat the snot out of it, taken it to central Africa, spilled water on it, poured a cup of cornsyrup on it... I could complain that I wish all flash worked on it, and that it ran OSX, or that there was a mobile version of final cut, but the thing is tough for what it is.
 
I've been unable to use mine for more than ~5 minutes in direct Montana sunlight. Kind of kills the fantasy of having a bundle of books to read anywhere.
 
My boy uses the crap out of his iPad outside, inside, anywhere, been to France and back (90 degree weather with 90% humidity) and has never had it shut down except from battery usage. He did scratch the screen with a screw the first day - just to see if it would.:angry:
I think this is more FUD/money grabbing like the less than 1% of iPhones that lose reception (like most phones) when gripped like a madman.
 
Let's see, glossy black surface on the thing, aluminum enclosure... 1GHz passively cooled CPU inside. I'm not exactly sure what people were expecting here. And the iPad is smart about it, it will warn you about temps before it just shuts itself down.

Anyway, I'm going to sue Sears, Snap-On and every other tool maker I know of, because my wrenches burn my fingers when they sit in the sun for 5 minutes while I'm working. Ah, never mind that... I'm going to sue Apple too. Because I know this winter when I'm taking a break to check Reduser at the base of the ski slopes, my tongue will freeze to the back of the iPad when I lick it.

This is stupid... If you're unhappy with the iPad, return it. Simple. If enough people don't like it, they'll do it differently.

Yes, I've been able to overheat my iPad in the sun. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. I don't have any notebook PC that works reliably under the same conditions either.

/rant off...
 
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With respect, I don't understand how does reading a book - on a device which is marketed for reading books, or writing email - on a device which is supposed to allow much better practicality anywhere - all have to do with burning fingers with wrenches or tongues freezing while licking an iPad. You are comparing misuse with normal use.

Most of the folks who buy an iPod don't know what 1Ghz passively cooled CPU means (in terms of temp.), and don't expect a consumer product to not do what is marketed to do. As I said, lawsuit is irrelevant.
 
My commentary was related to the lawsuit. Apple doesn't market the iPad just for reading books and checking email, although I do think that's why half the people or more who buy one are buying them. I don't think the lawsuit will hold up, it's pretty ambiguous as to who should even benefit from the suit. It really comes down to whether or not the iPad operates within its advertised operating temperature ranges. And that it does, or at least I have found it does. If you have it in direct sunlight and it heats up, it heats up. I've found the iPad to be quite unusable in bright sunlight or most of the conditions people are complaining about -- not because of overheating, but because I can't see the screen. I think a lawsuit based on snippets of people reading an iPad in sunny conditions, portrayed in a TV commercial, is reaching a bit.

As for the overheating, I'm not saying it's not an issue. I just don't know of a way Apple could have designed the iPad to not overheat like this. The current state of technology doesn't really allow for that. Not with the capability they have put into this device. They could have made it thicker and built it out of a rugged plastic that doesn't conduct heat as well and then put in a fan or two -- like the Asus "tablet" unit. But then it's like an oversized netbook without a physical keyboard and who wants to buy that?

FWIW, for reading books, I still much prefer an ePaper screen device like Kindle. And they don't tend to overheat. Although I've overheated mine, I think... About this time last year, I was reading by a pool in Arizona, it was pretty hot, sun shining on it. It really started acting up. I figured it was heat, so just turned it off and went for a swim, I was getting pretty hot too... I still have the Kindle, that's really the only time I've had trouble with it. It's one of the original bulky versions -- got a good deal when they came out with the next model. I think I'm going to replace it with their new one that's coming out because at this point I haven't touched it since getting the iPad and that's mostly due to size. Because for long periods of reading, the backlit glossy LCD just isn't as easy on the eyes.

My biggest frustration with the iPad is the current state of apps for it. Most people use the iPad for email, web, other basic tasks. No one wants serious apps for it apparently... The app store is mostly littered with simple stuff that works best on the iPhone and iTouch and I think the market itself doesn't support larger apps, other than an occasional game title. Maybe this is also from my POV of developing for it. There's some apps I'd love to develop for the iPad, but I doubt people would buy them. Everyone has it in their mind that apps for the iOS platform should cost $3.99 or less in most cases, regardless of what the app does. I've so far only written custom software for internal use for two clients. The iPad is awesome and powerful when put to proper use. But we're not seeing a whole lot of that based on what's available in the app store.
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
Because I know this winter when I'm taking a break to check Reduser at the base of the ski slopes, my tongue will freeze to the back of the iPad when I lick it.

/rant off...
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Jeff you really should`nt be licking your iPad at all,i`m sure i read in the small print.." licking your iPad,regardless of ambient temperature,invalidates the warranty."
 
my only question would be what is the spec'd operating temp of the iPad... Assuming it is the usual 32f to 104f, it should operate under those conditions... However, if there is also wordage in the manual about operating in direct sunlight (for even brief periods), then the point would be moot... But, if the device is spec'd to work in a given temperature range and does not... well, that would seem a problem to me. Not necessarily one requiring lawsuits... Lawsuits should typically be reserved for when someone is made aware of a problem and refuses to acknowledge and/or do anything about it (imo)

(p.s. I do not own an iPad) :)
 
iPad Environmental requirements:

Operating temperature - 32°F to 95°F (0°C to 35°C)
Nonoperating temperature - -4°F to 113°F (-20°C to 45°C)
Relative humidity - 5% to 95% Non-Condensing
Maximum operating altitude - 10,000ft (3,000m)

I have had no trouble using my iPad in temps over 95°F lately. But letting it absorb direct sunlight can be a problem and can raise their temperature quickly. The black face, and aluminum shell on the rear, can both get hot very quickly with the sun shining on them. The passively cooled design is intended to conduct heat away from the internal components and it does just that very well. But when the exterior of the iPad is heated up to a temperature as hot or hotter than the internal components, it can't cool them. Such is the nature of a passively cooled system. The iPad is also very conservative in its heat defenses it seems. And it will shut down long before there is ever any chance of a user getting burned. It's kinda cloudy here right now and looks like it's going to rain... Otherwise I'd to check it out. I bet that the surface temp of the iPad is well over 95°F before it shuts down. And last time I checked, surface temperatures, even if raised by sunlight or other factors that would increase it beyond ambient air temps, are still a factor in your environmental operating range.

Graham_C said:
Jeff you really should`nt be licking your iPad at all,i`m sure i read in the small print.." licking your iPad,regardless of ambient temperature,invalidates the warranty."
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What if your dog licks it? Does that void the warranty? My 5-year-old likes to play with the iPad while eating Cheetos and the dog can't help himself...
 
I was going to go into a long rant about this, but it's a wasted effort in the end. I'll just say this; no one can design well enough to accommodate for all the stupidity in the world.
 
Not sure which stupidity you are referring to.
Buyer's or leadership's.



Let's see...so far Apple's corporate policy includes:

- technical blunders - equipment not working properly, non-optimized hardware
- software blunders - picture inconsistency, selling half-finished software, driver issues
- deliberately limiting features most people reasonably expect and competition offers
- false or exaggerated advertising
- poor support for professional community
- overpriced outdated components
- decreasing tools capability
- labeling consumer tools as "pro" (Macbook Pro 13")


I'd really like all this not to be true because my company is mostly on Macs, but this bubble has bursted long time ago and it's time for reality check.
Corporate greed has crossed the line.

This stuff happens to others also, but not remotely this much. This list has grown and keeps growing, which especially gets noticed when the same company likes to brag about it's achievements, presenting itself as innovative, pedantic and forward thinking and praising itself to the point of inducing vomiting.

Seems like a lot of people are still living in a dream and being faithful to a company based on old glory, expecting that a company this size pushing "revenue revenue revenue" will suddenly make a 180° altruistic turn and loose huge, shareholders expected profit by making improvements in all problematic fields.

They won't. Unless they are forced to.
Blind faith will not force them to.
 
Hrvoje Simic said:
Not sure which stupidity you are referring to.
Buyer's or leadership's.
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Hehe. Not a big Apple fan, huh?

It'll be interesting to see how this pans out. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of those with issues are using the ipad in methods which exceed specifications and recommended use in the manual.
 
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