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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Apple - "Post PC World"

yep totally agree, but I think desktops will migrate more to the areas that you are talking about, and the larger portion of the market, the consumer will move to a ipad hybrid with a headlass connection computer with minimal storage (SSD).


BUT the real fun comes when the SINGULARITY moment is done.
 
Well yea... both. More powerful, or smaller, and both to a lesser extent at any given moment. They are one in the same.

Watch out for T-1000!

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Michael McLaughlin said:
Damn Alexander,

So sorry about that (I think I skipped your post because I was skimming
and it was a little long for me at that point).

Looks up with a little egg on the face; "but I think I might-a done a good job
in summing it up?"

again sorry.
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No worries. Brevity can be golden after all.
 
Tom Lowe said:
Rumors of the demise of the desktop have been grossly exaggerated.... for decades. It's still going strong.
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What'll kill the desktop is 1ms or less latency and ubiquitous 1Gb internet connections. At that point thin clients start making a lot of sense.
 
I believe the first time Steve mentioned this, he used it in conjunction with the pickup truck analogy. In that, increasingly, a large desktop computer is going to become unnecessary for many people in their private lives. They don't need to have a box, monitor, keyboard, etc. to check their email, browse the web, read news, and watch movies at home.

He did acknowledge that there will always be the need for the "heavy lifter" - workstations. While there are ergonomic concerns with current tablet technology for things like data entry, Steve outright acknowledged that powerful workstations will, for any forseeable future, be needed in our digital society. And just as some people choose to use a giant 500hp diesel six-wheeled trucks for their daily commute, so will some people use high powered desktop computers at home just because they want to.


At lest that's how I remember it. Much ado about nothing, here, I think.
 
My only point in this is to say that people who doubt the evolution of any technology are always right, up until the very moment they are wrong. The people who have said Jim's ideas about Epic being crazy were absolutely correct for a couple of years, now they are dead wrong. Those that doubt Scarlet have been correct for the last couple of years. Soon, I believe, they will be dead wrong. A lot of people said there was no market for tablet computers; they were a useless machine stuck between a smart phone and a laptop. Twenty five million iPads later, I'd suggest they might have been wrong. So, I guess it depends a bit on time frame and people often talk about "the future" as if it were some finite time. Your "future" may be 2 or 5 years, mine may be 10 or 30. As hard as it is to project future trends, it is even harder to give them a context in terms of specific time frames.

To be sure, this is all just thought exercise. I don't think desktop computing is EOL; I just bought a new Mac Pro! But I also wouldn't argue that we'll "never" be editing RED footage on an iPad. I just don't know when. I'll keep you posted, though!! :001_smile:

I guess the original discussion was about being in a "post PC" world. For some, I think that is already true. For others, not so much.
 
That would be a Post-PC life for certain people. The world, most certainly, is not Post PC.
 
Tom Lowe said:
That would be a Post-PC life for certain people. The world, most certainly, is not Post PC.
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There is a subtext we are all assuming different things about without stating it.

I read this "Post PC" talk as more like postmodernism and less like "after PC's" in the sense of being done with desktop computers.

Most people don't want to compute ... they want to get certain things done, and for the last generation that meant you had to use a computer and frankly you had to conform to it.

So, the desktop computer will be here for a long time ... but its role will change radically in the coming decade. I think the "postPC era" was portended by the shift, by most users, to laptops and netbooks, but really started with the rise of the iPhone.

Now the next thing is going to be the local provision of cloud services and pervasive use of mobile computers as interfaces to other computers.

So , if you follow me , that actually means sales of MORE Mac Pro type computers to support TV's and tablets and phones and such. Like the current cloud computing concept it would need to be transparent.

So ... the "PostPC" era will actually involve a resurgence of workstation/server style computers, a bit more centralized computing model, but supported by diffused computing devices - what used to be called "fat client" systems - remember when the SGI system on your desk was actually an X-Window terminal to the big iron in the server room? But the 3D guy over there had an Onyx under his desk? Yeah ... more like that but ... you know ... all futurey.
 
When you look at the context in which the "Post PC" era is talked about at WWDC it isn't so much about replacing desktop PCs with tablets and phones but rather seeing an end to the desktop being the HUB for our digital lives.
Instead of being a docking station where all your media lives your desktop will become another device the ipad and iphone will become truly independent and the HUB will be the "Cloud" it's not about trying to get us to dump those mac pro machines expecting us to do the same quality job on imovie for ipad.
 
Terry VerHaar said:
iPad 3! lol
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I've been joking about this too, but it seems a possible reality. Lion gives MacPros an iPad type functionality, from what I have heard the color rendition of an iPad screen is better than that of an Apple Cine monitor, Colorfront has an iPad app for color grading dailies on-set and the new FCP was re-engineered by the Apple tech who headed the i-Movie group. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next version of FCP on either iPaD 3 or maybe a pro pad with the power and functionality of a macbook pro.
 
Alan Rosenfeld said:
I've been joking about this too, but it seems a possible reality. Lion gives MacPros an iPad type functionality, from what I have heard the color rendition of an iPad screen is better than that of an Apple Cine monitor, Colorfront has an iPad app for color grading dailies on-set and the new FCP was re-engineered by the Apple tech who headed the i-Movie group. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next version of FCP on either iPaD 3 or maybe a pro pad with the power and functionality of a macbook pro.
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To be honest, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see some subset of "auxiliary" or "supporting" functions of Final Cut Pro X on the iPad either. I believe it is in Apple's nature to tie as many of their devices as possible into any workflow.
 
I wouldn't be surprised to find a version of iMovie on a future version of the iPad. Eventually, I can also see iOS and Mac OS merging - they definitely seem to be headed down the same path. Windows 8 will already merge the tablet and PC experience in a years' time, while Androids are expected to be seen in notebooks, so it's a general industry trend.

Still, I would expect the PC and its derivatives to be far more powerful, flexible and efficient (for creation) than it's mobile counterparts for years to come. The mobile devices are decent for consumption though.
 
Subhadip Sen said:
I wouldn't be surprised to find a version of iMovie on a future version of the iPad. Eventually, I can also see iOS and Mac OS merging - they definitely seem to be headed down the same path. Windows 8 will already merge the tablet and PC experience in a years' time, while Androids are expected to be seen in notebooks, so it's a general industry trend.
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Wait, isn't iMovie already on iPad?
 
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