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Anything I may have forgotten for a Scarlet Kit??

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Jarvis Alston

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Hello All,

I am just finalizing my decisions for my kit to go with my Scarlet Al EF mount that I have ordered. I will list everything I intend to purchase along with it and if you could let me know if I have left out anything essential please let me know. Most people on here have a great deal more experience than I do and I really appreciate any input. I plan to shoot many different genres, horror, thriller, comedy, experimental but with most scenes containing 2 - 3 people mostly. I am hoping everything I capture will be cinema quality as I plan to enter into festivals and the like. Thanks.

Lenses:
Canon 24mm 1.4L, 35mm 1.4L, 50mm 1.4L, 24-70mm 2.8L and the Tokina 11-16mm 2.8mm.

The site I have chosen to purchase from gives a warning with the Tokina though that concerns me: "Important Notice! Designed for use with Canon APS-C DSLRs." Will this be an issue? I plan to be shooting in 4K and haven't heard about any issues with this lens at all. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Sound:
Sound Devices MixPre-D Field mixer. I was going to get the SD702T as well but I'm going to use the mixer and see how the Scarlet records audio. If anyone has done some tests and doesn't think the Scarlets audio recording is adequate please let me know.

Mics: Sennheiser MKH - 60 and Sennheiser EW112 G3 Wireless Bodypack Microphone System with ME2 Lavalier Mic

I think I should be able to get away with one boom mic and some clever hiding of the Lav with the wireless system. Again, if this won't work let me know :)

Lighting:

I have decided to go with tungsten lighting and correct the daylight etc. with gels as needed. I mostly have night shoots in mind right now but I think the tungsten lights will be very versatile. Mostly indoor shooting but with some outdoor shots as well.

An Arri Kit that includes: 1 x 300 Fresnel, 2 x 650 Fresnels, 1 x ARRILITE 750 Plus Focusing Flood, High Output HPL Lamp, Barndoors, Filter Frames, Scrims, Stands, Bulbs, 24 x 32" Softbox, Heavy Duty Case.

I will also purchase some gels and other cheap accessories to go with the kit.

Dolly, steadicam, Jib etc:
I plan to purchase a jib arm but haven't really done much research yet, so any recommendations would be very valuable. I would like to use it to imitate dolly shots and for some cool crane like shots (with practice of course). I have also seen the amount you can steady a shot in post on DaVinci resolve and think that the results are pretty amazing. To me it looks like steadicam work. So for the time being I will do any necessary image stabilizing in post.

Post:
I will edit on Avid Media Composer 6 and do the color correcting on DaVinci Resolve.

I am hoping with all of this I should be able to recruit help or bring this equipment to shoots and cover basically any independent shooting situation. I am currently living in Queensland, Australia (an hour away from where Baz Luhrmann filmed "Australia") but will be moving to Toronto in July.

Thanks very much for your help and recommendations. Cheers.

Jarvis
 
4K on the Scarlet (Mysterium) sensor = APS-C sized. You *may* see some vignetting around the edges. This is just a guess on my part. But, I can tell you that many, many people are planning to use that lens with Scarlet, and many of them have experience with the Canon 7D Mark II, which uses an APS-C sized sensor.

EDIT: I thought it was the 5D. As Luuk de Kok below me points out, the APS-C Sensor is on the 7D. The 5D has a full frame, making the Tokina a little less than optimal for it.
 
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Check out the Skull job.
I saw Phil's work is pretty good on this len (Tokina 11-16).
I would add canon 85/1.2 to your list.
 
Nick Pasquariello said:
4K on the Scarlet (Mysterium) sensor = APS-C sized. You *may* see some vignetting around the edges. This is just a guess on my part. But, I can tell you that many, many people are planning to use that lens with Scarlet, and many of them have experience with the Canon 5D Mark II, which uses an APS-C sized sensor.
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A lot of people used it with the 7D because of it's APS-C sized sensor, not the 5D mark II because it is a full frame sensor ;)

Just like the post above me, don't you want anything longer than 70mm? i'd suggest something like a 70-200 or a 85mm for close ups with a nice DOF :)
Also for your lighting kit, wouldn't an additional 2k lamp be an option? your strongest lamp now is 750 watt (is still enough though) but for something like a nice light from a window i'd suggest one more powerful source (but that's my style, it can vary of course!)
But besides that, looks like a cool kit!
 
I'd recommend an A/B, V mount, or Red Brick batteries with the necessary adapter. You can get around 40 minutes of power per Redvolt, but with a 160w battery you can get around 3.5 hours.

I went with the Wooden Camera QB system + Swit V-mount + Globalmedia Pro batteries, but there are many other options.

Also, something to think about is how you are going to manage media on set. You'll need a fast (eSata or Thunderbolt) RAID or set of portable drives and a capable laptop (SSD or 7200rpm HDD recommended) I believe you can get about 25 minutes of 4K on a 64GB drive with REDcode where it should be.

Phil's post on Scarlet data is a must read if you haven't already.

As for sound, I wouldn't trust running a mixer directly into a Scarlet for more than a scratch track. Rent first, then see if you want to go that route. Better yet, hire a sound pro for a job and ask them for recommendations. I would personally buy a Tascam or Zoom H4n before a Mix-Pre for your setup only because preliminary reports about Scarlet's audio are a mixed bag at best.
 
Nobody seems to have mentioned, and I don't use Avid MC6, but I'm fairly sure it does NOT do 4k resolution (it will be coming in a future release.. but not yet). I think if you want to produce 4K footage you need to use Adobe CS 5.5 or Final Cut Pro X (blech!).

Then again, most people only want a 1080p deliverable, which any of them can do..
 
The Tokina will be fine. It will completely cover 4K and only show the slightest vignetting at 5K Full Sensor.

The Mix Pre-D is an excellent choice. you'll find that the Scarlet audio is very good when fed with the Mix Pre-D.

Best of luck!
 
Yoav Yerushalmi said:
Nobody seems to have mentioned, and I don't use Avid MC6, but I'm fairly sure it does NOT do 4k resolution (it will be coming in a future release.. but not yet). I think if you want to produce 4K footage you need to use Adobe CS 5.5 or Final Cut Pro X (blech!).

Then again, most people only want a 1080p deliverable, which any of them can do..
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This is only partially true. Avid does not allow editing at resolutions over 1920x1080, but you can still do a 4K finish outside of MC using additional software, such as Avid DS or After Effects / Premiere for your final output. I use both Avid and the Adobe Suite for this reason, since I prefer to work in Avid but don't have access to a DS.

EDIT: You can also go from Avid back into Redcine-X, then export out to Resolve.
 
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You're going to spend more than you realize on rig hardware and accessories. :smiley:
 
Perhaps a wooden camera A-box XLR adapter? Or do you not need one if using the mix-pre D field mixer? I looked to see if it accepts a consumer mic line but not sure if it does.
 
Looks like you are off to a good start! Lots of good advice on here. You mentioned a jib or dolly. My recommendation for a jib, slider, or shuttle pod is Kessler Crane. Eric Kessler is top notch and his products are all around kick ass. I love the Cine slider and pocket jib the most, but they have awesome solutions for almost everything... and it will cost less then you think :) Here's a link to their website: http://www.kesslercrane.com/. I hope that helps and good luck with your Scarlet package. Peace.
 
Chris McKechnie said:
@Doug:

How do you like those Goobalmedia batteries? What charger you using?
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I'm not doug, but I am LOVING my GMP batteries, small, yet giving me 3hrs each, I've got them all packed with the rest of my gear. Nothing bad about them, besides the rubber cap over the D-tap has snapped off one of my batteries, but easily covered with some gaff tape.
 
Although it has not yet been mentioned in this thread, I'd just like to offer another alternative. All of ActionProducts' accessories are modular and allow you to quick change set-ups and configurations on the go. Although shown on an EPIC, these products can also be utilized for the Scarlet.

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Individual Modules Shown:

Battery Module, Basic Module "Proteus", TopPlate Module "Apollo", 15 mm RodMount Audio, XLR Audio Adapter + Riser Plate


Power Packages:

"Proteus" + "Electra" + Battery Module, "Proteus" + "Electra" + V-Mount / AB Plates

For more information on these products visit our blog or Innocinema online. Feel free to post back with any questions Thank you!
 
William Graydon said:
Perhaps a wooden camera A-box XLR adapter? Or do you not need one if using the mix-pre D field mixer? I looked to see if it accepts a consumer mic line but not sure if it does.
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You don't need both the A-Box and the Mix Pre-D. I prefer the Mix because it manages good mic-level to the camera and phantom power, and it has great preamps.
 
You talk about jibs/dollies and that you will stabilize handheld in post. Are you planning on holding the camera with your hands like a regular camera? Most people prefer doing handheld shots with some support rig to mount it on the shoulders or against your chest. There are tons of rigs out there, and you really need to figure out what your comfortable with. But I'm pretty sure you're gonna want one.

Similarly, you don't include a follow-focus or matte box. You can definitely skip the matte box if you don't really care (it looks more 'pro' to the actors, and you can slip in some quality filters, but unless that's important to you, the lens hood that came with your lens is probably 99% as good.

However, I can't imagine shooting ANYTHING serious without a follow focus. And if you're planning on shooting using a jib/crane, you might even need a remote follow focus (pricy). rotating the lens focus with your hand is most likely gonna mess up your stability, is very hard for a camera assistant (or you) and it's nearly impossible to use for focus marks... So yeah, I'd say add that to your list..
 
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