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Any word on the New Epic Option?

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Jannard said:
...While we are waiting, we can build one by one machined cameras and hand assemble with titanium mounts if there is anyone interested to pay more for something like this...
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Seems like any time there is an exception or backstory involved in
a product...those become very valued and historical items as they
are set apart from all the others that follow. So think quite
a few might take up this new Epic offer.
 
Jannard said:
We have finished the EPIC development. Now we have to fab the boards, tooling and set up a line. While we are waiting, we can build one by one machined cameras and hand assemble with titanium mounts if there is anyone interested to pay more for something like this. We are going through now to see what we would have to charge to sell these because they will cost us a ton more than production run bodies.

There is no price increase on production EPICs. But this seemed like a way to get a few out sooner for those that can't wait.

When we have a number, we'll put it out there. There is no requirement for anyone to buy these, just kills a bit of time. If there was interest, they would go to customers by number 1st. There would be no trade in allowance. Numbers would be limited to what we can make until the line is fully operational.

It is important to note that these cameras would not delay or hold up production from the line. They are not Tattoo cameras... they would be special production cameras.

Just a thought and we wanted to hear some opinions... we can go either way.

Jim
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I cannot speak for everyone, but I think the answer to this will be preceded by a question: How long until the line is set up and production units follow?

If you are talking 7-8 weeks Then I think (For most) the additional money would be hard to justify. But if you are saying longer (Such as delivery around NAB), then more people would take an interest in this.

Some will do it no matter what cause they have cash to burn. But most will need to know a rough release schedule in order to see if the gap between the hand built and "regular" production cameras justifies the cost.

My 2 cents

Jay
 
One more thing:

It's not just the camera... There is not status on anything else. What will come with this hand unit?
Monitor?
Are the REDMotes ready?
Mounting options? What lens mounts are ready?

In other words, what will come with the "hand built" units?

I dunno Jim.. The more I think about this... The more red flags it brings up.

This is such a complicated release, and there's so much I/we do not know. I think the better track right now is to stay with your origional plan. Release when ready. All of it (Well, not ALL of it, but you know what I mean)

Jay
 
Assuming that it is a working camera (including modules etcetera) I think I'd pay a premium, but ofcourse it is important to know when would these "handreds" would be available; if these ship let's say in 2 months and the production line starts in 5 months I am pretty sure there are a lot of people with enough cash to invest since they know these handreds will be renting out like crazy in the first months with so few available. So basically rental houses would invest in these I guess.

Jim, I know and it is smart not to release shipping dates, but could you give us an estimate how much time at least it will take to set up a production line ? Otherwise, could you tell us "epics will for sure not ship before...."

anyway, it is very thoughtfull to think about options like these for costumers... My guess is that stage 2,3 etc will still apply ?

cheers
 
Jannard said:
We have finished the EPIC development. Now we have to fab the boards, tooling and set up a line. While we are waiting, we can build one by one machined cameras and hand assemble with titanium mounts if there is anyone interested to pay more for something like this. We are going through now to see what we would have to charge to sell these because they will cost us a ton more than production run bodies.


Just a thought and we wanted to hear some opinions... we can go either way.

Jim
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I won't be buying one of the cameras, but I think it is a good idea to make and sell them to those who can. The more they are used, the more you learn and that can only help all of us in the long run.

Happy with this news... it gives me an idea where things are at present and helps me to know where to aim on my own "just-in-time" financial production line.

EDIT: I hope this would mean that a camera number is marked "executed" when someone opts for the hand-made camera. That means there would one less camera ahead of me on the production line. (I knew I could find a self-serving reason for supporting this idea if I thought hard enough!)
 
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Curran Giddens said:
Actually, I would have to sell one. But the profit from it would help with the additional cost of the hand-built Epic.
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Privateer!!!! :ohmy: Camera Runner! (He blustered in mock disgust)
No camera hoarding... please!
 
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Jim, how about hand-building the Scarlet's... Little less to do ;-)!!

Or you could do a RED workshop where customers fly over and hand-build there own cameras! I'd be well up for that... Love to get my hands dirty!
 
Curran Giddens said:
Look at it as a completely separate line of cameras. And they would only be building them while waiting for the real production line to be stocked up with parts.
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Heh, heh, nice justification. But I think we should leave this in the hands of the rest of the Great Unwashed. Someone needs to do a poll. Maybe a simple one asking if (in theory) we are for or against the idea of releasing hand made cameras to those willing to pay the price. Then when the price of such a camera is revealed, another poll asking who will or will not participate. I would do such a poll but I can't find the poll button.
 
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Totally off topic. Here is a version of jim's avatar, with transparent bg.
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/Janne
 
Jannard said:
Just a thought and we wanted to hear some opinions... we can go either way.

Jim
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Depends how fast and how much. But I am 1000% interested in more cameras at a premium, specifically due to interest and demand for 3D.

I think what matters the most to make such a decision is having the "latest best guess" at when STAGE 2 will roll, etc. -

But ... yeah ... you are going to get a BUNCH of folks who will pay $$ to get them faster -
 
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