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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

Any word about ODEMAX from NAB 2013?

Larry Kelly said:
And now for something completely different. Meanwhile I've been doing a little preliminary research on the possibility of doing a 4K edge blended CRT projectors. The Barco 909 Reality can resolve 3200 by 2560.
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Sony claims 4096x2160 on their SRXT420 4K projector:

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/micro-sxrdsite/cat-projectors/product-SRXT420/

$150K, last time I checked.

Jason Wingrove said:
We have just done an interview with Odemax for the next episode of The RC Podcast. A full update on where theyre at.
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That's excellent! I'll put the RC Podcast on my download list.
 
mark haflich said:
Consumers and commercial theaters are going to go ga ga over content like that. :) The Red community should find it very useful though but why can't you just use the internet?. Most view podcasts on small screens I would think and there would be little benefit in pod casting in 4K. I am asking, not telling. hy do you want to use Odemax for this?
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They're not putting their podcast on Odemax. They have done an interview with someone from Odemax for their next podcast that will be available at the link that they provided in a few days.
 
Thanks for pointing out what the post meant. That makes perfect sense. I look forward to watching the interview.
 
How similar is the Redray to the several other 4K servers that have been announced? Is the real difference the plug in codec or whatever is the correct name to convert 4K and HD sources to what the Redray will accept and then the reverse or whatever decoding to restore the output at a high bit rate or whatever to close to the original source. If that is the case, its the Red programmers and codec writers competing against competitors. What inherent advantage would Red have here?
 
mark haflich said:
How similar is the Redray to the several other 4K servers that have been announced? Is the real difference the plug in codec or whatever is the correct name to convert 4K and HD sources to what the Redray will accept and then the reverse or whatever decoding to restore the output at a high bit rate or whatever to close to the original source. If that is the case, its the Red programmers and codec writers competing against competitors. What inherent advantage would Red have here?
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Many believe that Red's single greatest asset is their compression. It is what makes the cameras possible.
 
But isn't the whole issue going to much greater compression to fit down the narrow internet pipeline and then restoring it to near source quality. I suspect Red's aim is to do exactly that, the issue is that from the delays hasn't been done and I suspect Red has gone to a third party to see what they can do. There is at least one company that has a lead over Red in transmission compression and it seems that there are others out there who could compete and are set up to do so. Red has a hardware advantage re cameras but compression and reversing it are not hardware dependent. Servers are cheap and it would seem to me the Redray is priced considerably more than competing boxes. So what would we be paying for? The coding and decoding program and others should be able to do it better or worse. I just don't know. This stuff is very interesting to say the least.
 
mark haflich said:
But isn't the whole issue going to much greater compression to fit down the narrow internet pipeline and then restoring it to near source quality. I suspect Red's aim is to do exactly that, the issue is that from the delays hasn't been done and I suspect Red has gone to a third party to see what they can do. There is at least one company that has a lead over Red in transmission compression and it seems that there are others out there who could compete and are set up to do so. Red has a hardware advantage re cameras but compression and reversing it are not hardware dependent. Servers are cheap and it would seem to me the Redray is priced considerably more than competing boxes. So what would we be paying for? The coding and decoding program and others should be able to do it better or worse. I just don't know. This stuff is very interesting to say the least.
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Near the beginning it was about having access to the same files shown in theaters, but after a recent post where Jarred essentially praised Sony's significant 4K market penetration, I think they are rethinking their whole plan. At this point I'm no longer convinced that the RedRay box was even ever intended to be sold. It may have been just to show off Red's production prowess to the studio execs. Isn't Red's whole motto now that it's exclusively a company for professionals?
 
Mark and Alex, Red has demonstrated the .RED codec via the RedRay Player to a large number of people months ago. At the time they had the codec using 20 Mbits per second if memory serves. Since then they have demonstrated 4k at a 9 Mbits per second stream. There are plenty of witnesses to the above (I'm not one of them.) Last word I heard was they were trying to make it easier and faster for content providers to encode to .RED. My guess is the new Rocket X will help solve that and make it possible to get content Red Player ready in nothing flat. Now you are caught up with the rest of us.
 
Elsie N said:
Mark and Alex, Red has demonstrated the .RED codec via the RedRay Player to a large number of people months ago. At the time they had the codec using 20 Mbits per second if memory serves. Since then they have demonstrated 4k at a 9 Mbits per second stream. There are plenty of witnesses to the above (I'm not one of them.) Last word I heard was they were trying to make it easier and faster for content providers to encode to .RED. My guess is the new Rocket X will help solve that and make it possible to get content Red Player ready in nothing flat. Now you are caught up with the rest of us.
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I was there the very first time the redray codec was shown off at Red Studios at 10 mbps 3.5 years ago. I was blown away by the picture. I'm just saying that plans change and however many RedRay Players have been produced continue to gather dust somewhere.
 
I have compressed many shots at UHD at 25 to 45 megabits with H264 and it looks fantastic. The reason is that Red footage is very clean and grain free, and it is exactly the grain that throws a monkey wrench into any compression scheme. Take away the grain, it's pretty easy to get a great file !
Try it and play it back on your UHD TV . I'm not just whistling Dixie here.

The reason to get on a RedRay player bandwagon is for the rights management. I don't know of another platform that has that yet, and that also allows a small time filmmaker to publish their film.
The Sorenson / .red / h265 codec will not make that much of a difference for clean images IMO. But the box can't cost much, because you don't want only the 1%ers being your audience.
 
Alex Kiritz said:
I was there the very first time the redray codec was shown off at Red Studios at 10 mbps 3.5 years ago. I was blown away by the picture. I'm just saying that plans change and however many RedRay Players have been produced continue to gather dust somewhere.
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I misunderstood your post.

You may be right. It is possible they've changed it again. They are known to blow things up and start over when a better way reveals itself.
 
The box now has an order price of $1750! The Sony box which has standard internet connection in and HDMI 1.4 out after the $200 credit for Sony 4K display purchasers in either $399 or $499 depending on who you ask. And Sony has built in points in that price for retailers. The Redray has 4 HDMI out for 4K video and one for audio. So that would make it more expensive but not $1350 more. It all boils down to having a serious quality advantage of the Red compression and uncompression and competitors could equal or surpass that I would think. Its going to be an interesting series of events to watch. I keep asking my self what programming did Red contract out and why the delay? The answer is we are making it better. But I suspect there is a real longer answer, we are making it better because it was not good enough and we couldn't do it ourselves.. Red could have licensed the programing the way Sony did but I suspect that would not be good enough for the professional film making and commercial that market that Red addresses or seeks to address.
 
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I just heard Red will have a booth this late September at CEDIA in Denver. CEDIA is the trade association for consumer HT and custom installation and integration. Many consumers attend the show to see the latest and greatest in HT though it is, the show, for the HT and custom electronics trade and many classes are offered for industry participants. It has nothing to do with film cameras, production, workflows etc. What is Red going to do there? Will we see a consumer 4K projector? I doubt it but I wouldn't be surprised for them to show their prototype again to show off the Redray and to have a presence with Odemax in an attempt to penetrate the consumer market. I doubt there could be much penetration with a player at $1750 and unpromoted Indy films. Odemax will have to offer some promoted major studio flicks and delivered in substantially better PQ than the competing much lower price servers and as yet unpriced content from other providers. Only so many cameras can be sold to the major studios and the financial health of the Indies must be provided for with an income stream rom distributors down loading to Redrays. Just my thought. Red has one advantage, projector wise and that is not having to have 30 points built into the selling price to provide for resellers. That's it.
 
mark haflich said:
I just heard Red will have a booth this late September at CEDIA in Denver.
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Interesting, I guess I'll have to stop by and see what's up... :)
 
For those of you not following ODEMAX or keeping tabs on them, the registration deadline to be in the first wave of content providers is TOMORROW, 6/14. So if any of you guys have some 4K stuff to show...
 
Jeff Kilgroe said:
For those of you not following ODEMAX or keeping tabs on them, the registration deadline to be in the first wave of content providers is TOMORROW, 6/14. So if any of you guys have some 4K stuff to show...
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Unfortunately my first short for R.O.A.B. will not be ready... :(
 
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