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Announcing WEAPON DRAGON 6k Magnesium

So.... can we apply the $5,000 accessories credit towards the $34,000 or not? I'm still confused on that point. Also is there any special deal for 1.8" card holders?

Total bundle would be:

$34,000 - $15k - $5k for EpicDragon owners then = $15k. $15k I can bite off... maybe. Looks like I'll be sticking with Epic. My ProRes recorder isn't perfect but it's also only worth $500 not $20k.
 
Adam Johnson said:
does no one else wish the $5k accessory creidt could be put toward the trade in credit?
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I'm with you on this. Make that happen and I can see a small opening to do the 8k upgrade. Without it, I'm off the upgrade path for now.
 
There are still a ton of important specs to be released. What the max frame rates of CF and Magnesium are. What the "improved Low Light capabilities" means. RedCode options.

In the mean time, a deposit doesn't sound like a bad idea, but the Weapon Magnesium Stealth option is SO stealth, that it won't actually appear in my cart. Cool feature.
 
Impressive release by RED. Need a few more details but from what we know so far, they checked off a lot of things on my wish list. Not the least of which is the auto calibration which I have felt is a much needed feature in 2015. Simultaneous scaled ProRes recording, 3D LUTs, etc are all going to make the camera more desirable. Clearly, Jarred and the rest of the team over there have been listening to those out in the trenches using the cameras. Obviously, still need to get camera in hands and see how it's all implemented, but on paper this looks like a fantastic upgrade.

With all camera announcements these days, I expect the wave of criticism that follows. Often times, that criticism can be productive and lead to better products. A win-win for everyone. Based on a lot of the comments on this thread and in other threads I just wonder if the RED upgrade program has run its course. It inevitably leads to confusion, and it leads to people interjecting their personal financial circumstances to push RED to change terms. It also messes with market value. I think it worked really well from Red One to Epic, but is it time for a more traditional approach? I have no idea what the financial workings are within RED and what makes sense for them as a company. I assume their pricing is what makes sense for them to put out cool products and make some profit so they can sustain themselves as a company. I don't see them making crazy profits and screwing people over. So, unless I am wrong about that the price point for Weapon is in line with what they are offering. If you remove the upgrade program, seems like you would create the following:
- More robust used market
- More resources put towards getting new product to market
- Remove limitations. As better designs are created that can create better cameras not restricted to older components.

I know this kind of flies in the face of Obsolescence Obsolete, however the bigger picture probably has to be looked at too. What's best for the overall industry?

These are just quick thoughts as I watch from afar today.
 
Gavin Greenwalt said:
Speaking of deposits. Is it refundable? And once "executed" if we back out is the camera dead forever to upgrades like MX?
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Questions that NEED answering!
 
I don' know if I'm 100% clear on how this works but it seems the $5,000 accessory credit will be necessary in order to even power the camera. From what I can tell, that's $1,150 at minimum. There will be AB and V-lock options coming from Element Technica that may be cheaper.

The accessories that come with the currently available packages adds up to $4,795 (not including the case, which has no price listed). You may not want/need everything in that package but you're going to need some of it. I can already see $1,700 worth that I wouldn't bother with.

Perhaps RED will allow whatever is left over from the accessories credit to apply to the camera credit.

Also, I wonder if media and displays count as accessories under these circumstances.
 
$19,000 for Pro res if you give up your Epic dragon? Am I missing something?

No changes to image? Fps? DR? Noise?
 
Great work RED-Team. Being an indie filmmaker, the CF/Mg upgrade path is not an option right now. I really hope today will be an Weapon-X announcement, pure Aluminum. ;o)

However, thanks for the offer, in all fairness, I read it in this way, the Dragon-X-Brain is $24K right now and you offer $20,5K, which means: I would have payed for a year of Dragon-X $3.5K, that is $10 per day, not bad at all.
I know there are other calculations, and I feel you, I do not argue against them.

Have a great time at NAB

Jarred Land said:
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- If you already own EPIC-X DRAGON, your trade-in credit towards WEAPON CF is $15,500 plus a $5000 weapon accessory credit. If you own Epic-X Dragon After NAB
begins, your trade in credit is $13,000 plus a $5000 weapon accessory credit.

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They just dropped in value

Jonas Klittmark said:
It is $24,000 no?

But either way you're right, $19k to upgrade from Epic Dragon is a lot. More than selling the Epic Dragon and buying the Weapon, unless our Epic Dragons just dropped a lot in value.
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Will there be an ALUMINUM version of WEAPON?
 
Having just sent my Epic-M in for the Dragon upgrade, I'm slightly perplexed by the pricing structure of this announcement. I'll wait to hear specs before making a final determination, but but it stings a bit to realize that it would probably have been about as expensive or at least a better option than upgrading (MX-Dragon-Weapon) as keeping my MX and buying a weapon. Hoping to be proven wrong when the final specs are released. Seriously hoping…
 
So it looks like a Dragon is only worth $15k now according to Red? After the $9500 upgrade?
I am crushed.
There is no way I can make the jump this soon after upgrading from Epic to Dragon, after another $10k from Scarlet to Epic. And then add in all of the required accessories.
I guess I just found myself outside of the Red circle.
I should have stayed with Epic.
 
So at first glance the upgrade feels like a kick in the balls… Epic X Dragon to Mag Weapon $34,500 - $15,500 = $19,000 = Ouch!

But if I am doing my math correctly here's what happens…

You get the following included…

WEAPON BRAIN (Magnesium) w/ Integrated Media Bay
1 WEAPON Sidekick (Magnesium)
1 WEAPON Base Expander
1 WEAPON REDVOLT XL Module
1 WEAPON Top Handle
1 WEAPON Lemo Adaptor A
1 WEAPON Package Case
1 1-Year Standard Warranty

That's $4,795 in accessories, some of which you can sell…

Throw in the $5,000 in Red store credit…for things you will buy anyway…

So the actual brain upgrade is more like $9,205 am I right?
 
Same calculations I did. Calling my bomb squad rep shortly to honor whats written clearly there in the red store - which I've been trying to get a deposit on since 2am! Lol

Jarek Zabczynski said:
So at first glance the upgrade feels like a kick in the balls… Epic X Dragon to Mag Weapon $34,500 - $15,500 = $19,000 = Ouch!

But if I am doing my math correctly here's what happens…

You get the following included…

WEAPON BRAIN (Magnesium) w/ Integrated Media Bay
1 WEAPON Sidekick (Magnesium)
1 WEAPON Base Expander
1 WEAPON REDVOLT XL Module
1 WEAPON Top Handle
1 WEAPON Lemo Adaptor A
1 WEAPON Package Case
1 1-Year Standard Warranty

That's $4,795 in accessories, some of which you can sell…

Throw in the $5,000 in Red store credit…for things you will buy anyway…

So the actual brain upgrade is more like $9,205 am I right?
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BrendanLeahy said:
I think the general concern here is just putting that $19k out front at first. It'd be great to just snag a brain-only upgrade, then build as you'd like.
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It would sure make the upgrade easier on the eyes…and your wallet.
 
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