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Allstar still camera lense to PL-style mount

Marvelous,
Can this allows you to activate the iris on all G and specifically DX series Nikon lenses?
 
Why is this shot at 2K? Can you do a 4K version of this to show lens coverage?

David
 
R. Gonzales said:
Yes, Please lets see a 4k version of this to show Lens coverage. And is your mount approved by Red?

Best
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Yeah,

The IMS just went up in flames for what seems to be political reasons. This system looks like a very fresh approach and best of all it allows everyone ABSOLUTE creative choice when it comes to the glass.

THe fact is that the NIKON glass looks really good on RED (despite the fact they are not true cine style lenses) but it would be nice to have the choice to use any piece of glass you want for what ever situation you might face.

David
 
R. Gonzales said:
Yes, Please lets see a 4k version of this to show Lens coverage. And is your mount approved by Red?

Best
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We havn't seen it yet.. excited to, from what I can tell, there shouldn't be any warranty issues. Will need to wait to get one in first though before confirming that and officially approving it.
 
That's great to hear you say Jarred.
Is there anyone willing to fill me in on what sort of lenses can go on the adaptors ALLSTAR is offering, the F adapter & C/Y adapter?
Links welcome to of course- thanks in advance
 
More details please

More details please

Ok then, Jarred does not anticipate issues, great. Is it possible to see some detailed assembly and disassembly of your mount? I am still a bit confused about how this is working. Allstar, how does your lens adaptor attaching to the Pl on the cine lenses as compared to the still lenses? Any info you can shear would be very much appreciated.


R. Gonzales
 
Hi Allstar,

Excellent! I saw the video and that's exactly what I suggested about two years ago in this forum. Finally someone delivers. I'll be the first one to jump on the bandwagon. If there are any reason that might delay my purchase, that would be the concerns below.
  1. RED's blessing
  2. Nikon G lens control that is better than Long Valley's version (which I own)
  3. Future compatibility with Epic and Scarlet S35 models
I understand that the last one is hard since no one except the RED team really knows what the design of those new cameras is. It's just my wish anyways. Nonetheless, please keep this in mind and make it as future compatible as you possibly could. Since the new cameras are around the corner, if RED doesn't delay as they used to, maybe you can ask RED to give you a developer's sneak preview so you can design your product accordingly.

One more request, can you make adapters to use Leica M and R series lenses?

By the way, your website is blocked in China where I am currently working so purchase online is tough here. Internet access I am using here in Kunming is so lame that it took me more than an hour to finish watching the Vimeo video. I am so glad I'll be back to Hong Kong and eventually Los Angeles soon. I hope you have more product details and ordering information online by that time.
 
My thoughts... From someone who owns a nice set of C/Y mount Zeiss lenses.
I use my lenses most of the time with C/Y to EF adapters with AF chips.
While the mounts with adapters are not as hardy as a PL mount, they give me the ability to use this lens set with ANY camera that has a Canon EF or Contax C/Y mount.
They work on a Red One, they work on my Canon DSLR, they work on all of the DOF adapters out there. By using this new mount system of yours, I would only be able to use my lenses on the Red with this mount. I would loose the ability to use my lenses on every other platform. And even with your PL mount mod to the lenses, they use a non-standard back focus length, so they would be useless on any standard PL mount camera. I'm not trying to poopoo your product, I'm just letting you know why this would not work for my situation.

Good Luck!
 
David Battistella said:
Why is this shot at 2K? Can you do a 4K version of this to show lens coverage?

David
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My guess is so he could show the Optex S16 zoom without having to switch back and forth from 4K. I'm sure if the collimation is right, then the lens coverage would be right.
 
Thanks everybody.:thumbsup: especially thanks to Jarred, that is a great news for me:hurray:. The mount is still in prototype, I`ll send the final production asap.
The reason of shotting in 2K is beacuse I want the variations of focus be more clear, and Optex S16 zoom only cover 2k. Image coverage is decided by the lens not my mount, so FF35 lense will cover 6k, S35 will cover 5k,etc.

This system is designed for solving the operating issue on still camera lenses, you have to dismantle the original mount and replace to Allstar lens adapter, and the adapter will be a base to attach iris ring or focus housing. Allstar mount could work on RED and some DOF adapter. It's true that you have to put the original mount back if you want to use those lense on DSLR, it`s not too hard, but need some time.
I`ve tested Nikon 80-200 on Allstar mount, works fine, but many issues on working for motion picture, like only 2.5x zoom and can`t hold focus and T stop during zoom in/out, apparent "zoom effect" in focus, and the range of focus ring is very small.
Maybe I`ll choose a set of still camera prime lenses and some cine PL zoom lenses, with Allstar mount, they can work together very easily.
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Nice work...
Thanks for update.... A.Star
 
iPin Data-

iPin Data-

I do not know if this is possible, or even feasible- but it owuld be great to be able to have the iPin data for Red Lenses be able to be passed through when using compatible lenses ...

(I really like being able to read the lens settings on the screen, and when Red allows us to access the iPin metadata, it will be helpful for me, should that ever happen...)
 
ALLSTAR said:
I`ve tested Nikon 80-200 on Allstar mount, works fine, but many issues on working for motion picture, like only 2.5x zoom and can`t hold focus and T stop during zoom in/out, apparent "zoom effect" in focus, and the range of focus ring is very small.
Maybe I`ll choose a set of still camera prime lenses and some cine PL zoom lenses, with Allstar mount, they can work together very easily.
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The Nikon 80-200 you have is the AF-D model, which has a well-publicized image shift when you focus. There have been several threads here on RED User discussing that. As I've posted many times on this forum, there are several other versions of the Nikon 80-200. Each version is very good optically - in fact they are basically very similar.

There are some very distinct differences when you use the other Nikon 80-200 model lenses on RED One. I've owned, and heavily used on my REDs, the AF-S and AF versions of the Nikon 80-200 f/2.8. The AF-S version has almost no image shift when you focus the lens, and holds focus well throughout a zoom. The AF version has no image shift when you focus, and holds focus perfectly throughout a zoom. Both of my 80-200 lenses also hold their F-stops very well throughout a zoom. Since I almost always eye focus RED, the range of focus and the short barrel rotation are actually quite welcome. I also use all my Nikon lenses without a matte box (I use screw-on filters) and a follow focus (I hand rack focus using the lens barrel).

This added input on the other Nikon 80-200 models, and their performance on RED, should avoid confusion about Nikon 80-200 performance among the readers of this thread. Your statements on your AF-D model of the Nikon 80-200 are not representative of performance of all Nikon 80-200 models. The customers for your new lens mount who work in mobile hybrid field workflows, will frequently be using their Nikon lenses without matte boxes and follow focus units. Don't assume that all the customers for your new mount are cine-style shooters when they use their RED One/Nikon lens camera setups - the reality with RED One is that there are a large number of us hybrid cine/EFP style RED One/Nikon lens setup shooters.

I own and use several Nikon zooms on my RED One cameras - 14-24, 17-35, 28-70, 80-200 AF, 80-200 AF-S, and 50-300 AIS. In my experience, most stock Nikon zooms (and primes) do quite well in motion footage acquisition - if someone knows which lenses to pick, how to accessorize them (and what not to accessorize them with), how to shoot hybrid style, and how to milk the maximum potential out of them. Lenses that are light and small, but still with good optics, deliver increased mobility - while also delivering excellent footage - a very potent combination.

All of my Nikon lenses (28 total) are stock - no gears, not de-clicked, stock Nikon mount, etc., and most of them were bought used. The footage results using them on RED One have ranged from excellent up to stellar.

I like the concept of your mount design. I'll be interested in checking it out...
 
Thanks you Steve, I like your point:RED owners hybrid cine/EFP style.
About nikon zooms, It's really hard to find a 80-200 f/2.8 AF-S, because nikon has retained it even though it has the best resolution(even better than 70-200 VR). And I am not sure it could hold focus throughout zoom, because it has two marks on focus like my 80-200 f/2.8 AF, but I can`t test the lenses, maybe you are right.
Nikkor AF-S 80-200mm f/2.8D:
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http://www.nelsontan.com/reviews/afs/afs80200.html
Nikkor AF 80-200mm f/2.8D ED
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I find Nikkor 70-200mm G VR has only one mark on focus, maybe it can hold focus throughout zoom, I will try to test.
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Still camera zoom lenses can hold their F-stops, but I mean T-stops, my Nikkor AF zoom lenese 200mm is darker than 80mm.
The mount and adapter is in producing, There will be products shown for everyone after a month.
 
In real world shooting, eye focusing the lenses, the AF-S and AF versions of the lens perform as I described in my last post above.

The AF-S has very little image shift when you focus the lens and it holds focus quite well throughout a zoom. The older AF version of the 80-200, made by Nikon from 1988-92, is optically very good like the AF-S and AF-D versions, but it is lighter, needs no rod support, has no image shift when you rack focus, and holds focus very well throughout a zoom. Unlike the later AF-S and AF-D versions of the 80-200, the older AF version is a push/pull zoom, rather than two separate rings for focus and zoom. This has some real advantages for someone who shoots hybrid style and eye focuses RED One, because you can easily and quickly zoom or re-frame, while simultaneously racking focus while you are zooming - because it is all controlled by the single push/pull barrel sleeve.

Nikon 80-200 AF f/2.8
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-f28-af.htm

I've attached a photo of my 80-200 AF on RED #8 recently while I was out shooting some stock footage. Note that the AF version doesn't need rod support, and is lighter and more mobile than the AF-S version. I also like the AF-S version optically, but I usually use my AF version to enhance mobility and for ease of zooming and eye focusing all in one motion. The AF-S version also is more subject to lens flares when shooting backlit subjects - whereas the AF version doesn't flare nearly as much.
 

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