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  • Hey all, just changed over the backend after 15 years I figured time to give it a bit of an update, its probably gonna be a bit weird for most of you and i am sure there is a few bugs to work out but it should kinda work the same as before... hopefully :)

AF EPIC tests finished - its the future.

I would like to have this AF mode -
Small focus area, the camera moved to a new object focus - press the button and the focus on him stood up and did not stir, and while I can tighten up his handle. Need to change the object focus - camera moved the focus point, and pressed the button again (once the focus locks into place the action of AF is turned off immediately and wait for the next press).

sorry for my English :(
 
Does that mean you can't pull AF focus with the regular REDmote? I thought you could (just not dial it in, like you could with a motorized remote focus.)
 
It's all about choices. Last week I shot with PL RPPs on fully rigged studio set ups, focus motors, rods and matt boxes, etc. This week Im on the road with my "tiny Epic" set up and Canon glass. I used the 70-200 mostly and it's gorgeous. Yesterday I went out into the city with only the camera and a Canon 17-40, shot everything hand held and slo mo, which is really fun. I got some of my favorite shots, I felt like I was shooting stills again, just me and a camera in my hands, but it was 5K Slo Mo RAW. So Cool. The point is the Epic is what ever you want it to be, one camera many uses. With regards to the Canon Glass there are some real advantages, mostly special use situations. With Canon its easier and cheaper to go macro, TS, 600mm, super light, etc. With PLs your more limited and they cost 10 times as much.
 
Jarred Land said:
You guys haven't seen anything yet... our AutoFocus team just blew Jim and my minds away a few days ago with a peak into the future :)
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Wow Jarred, now you have me on the edge of my seat. REDmote Pro on the horizon. That's my biggie right there. I'm glad that Toia is also a believer. You know that I've been praising Canon glass on the RED-One and Epic for many years now.
I will say it again and again. Bring out the REDmote Pro (working like Pro) and you will revolutionize the whole Pro bizz one more time right there. Because when a guy like Toia (former MP snob :laugh:) can see the light, then you will turn heads by the thousands when the REDmote Pro is working.
It's all about pulling focus, that's all. Everything else is just fine with still glass.

And for all guys that can't wait for the REDmote Pro. Go check this out: http://www.rtmotion.com/page/home

That's my new wireless follow focus system till the Redmot Pro hits the market. This thing rocks Canon glass like charm. read the specs and you will cheer.

Best

Tim
 
And now You should try Nikon. You are going to fall in love again.
Same happened to me. Years ago some snobs and 1st ACs rolled their eyes when I opened my case with nikons. They didn't care to look at the image, they just look at the lens and the brand.. I went from Primes to Canon, Canon to Nikon. ANd without a doubt Nikon and RED sensor are the perfect match. Besides excelent primes, Nikon has also couple incredible zooms that in my opinon Canon has not. "Zoom" is nasty word for some but they are useful for some situations specally the 17-35mm f/2.8 D F2.8 AF-S and Nikon 28-70mm f/2.8 AF-S


I have to admit that main set back compared with the film lenses, it's the inconsistency in color shift, sharpen and size between each other, which you get use to.

Dont take me wrong Canon lenses are great. But they have a very particular and recognisable look. the image starts becoming a trade mark for the D7 etc etc.

My 2 cents.
 
Rob Ruffo said:
As usual I strongly disagree. There is a lot to not like about Canon glass, most of all is the curve shapes from in-focus to out of focus, where if you want a blurred background, but wish to keep an entire head in focus you are mostly out of luck under 135 mm, the weird non-linearity of focus-pulls (i.e. the way some parts seem to move distance so much faster than others, with the same speed of rotation- which is way less bad on even a Mediocre PL). the strong variation between lens copies and the breathing - which is only as good as the bottom-end of PLs. Breathing is not easy to fix in post, because it follows a non-linear curve.

Canons are sharp, fine - way sharp. I do not share the obcession of many here with sharpness - its' really the tail end of a list of what's important to me in a lens, unless it's really muddy, which is never really a problem except with vintage glass. But aside form that give me PL glass any day, even with a Redmote or Birger control (which only fixes the last problem not mentioned yet - mechanics).

I also do not share the idea that shooting hundreds of shots more or less well is always better than dozens very carefully. A good Ac becomes part of the creative process, which auto-focus will never even approximate. Stopping to check focus is also taking a moment to think before shooting.
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It's quite interesting to read how amish film makers actually are.
A few things.

Regarding the breathing I can tell you since I come from post side of things that it is super easy to fix in post... but until about now it has been one thing missing and that is "breathing data". This is something that will be written to the meta data in all film files in the near future. When we have that and in combination with massive resolution you could just click "no breating" on any given clip and viola your breathing is gone.

In other words if you know your (read if your camera or computer know) lens and focus, zoom and shutter values for any given frame then it's super easy to automaticly make huge improvements digitally. Easy to make the picture perfectly rectilinear and to pull back chromatic separations and also make sure the lens is 100% not breathing. In a way that you could not possibly make within the scope of a physical lens with no data out. Also if you let the computers do part of the work your lenses can be smaller, lighter and less heavy. But to do so you need data out of the lens. The AF lenses is giving us this data all ready today. Future cameras will be able to process this data so what you see in the viewfinder is with meta data applied so no breathing, and perfect picture and if wanted all ready at the shooting stage.

Things like stabilizer data can also be written into meta data and the stab data can be applied to taste in post.

In other words I think you should think further. Since the digital revolution will probably not stop just yet. It replaced the the film with sensors in our cameras and it will go a lot further than that. Lenses are next and "Light field imagery" is just around the corner.... when we got LF's and a super sensitive sensor and HDR... then you can re expose, remap your Depth of field and pull focus in post... You basically then got a camera that needs to be aimed and some what framed and nothing more. by that time MP's will look just as any old a typewriter next to a macbook air...

But again, and off course there are some really good books that are written on typewriters. When using them you can't just spell check and copy/paste around you need to keep your head straight. So in that sense a typewriter easily outperform any computer or word processor...
 
Ricardo Moreno said:
And now You should try Nikon. You are going to fall in love again.
Same happened to me. Years ago some snobs and 1st ACs rolled their eyes when I opened my case with nikons. They didn't care to look at the image, they just look at the lens and the brand.. I went from Primes to Canon, Canon to Nikon. ANd without a doubt Nikon and RED sensor are the perfect match. Besides excelent primes, Nikon has also couple incredible zooms that in my opinon Canon has not. "Zoom" is nasty word for some but they are useful for some situations specally the 17-35mm f/2.8 D F2.8 AF-S and Nikon 28-70mm f/2.8 AF-S


I have to admit that main set back compared with the film lenses, it's the inconsistency in color shift, sharpen and size between each other, which you get use to.

Dont take me wrong Canon lenses are great. But they have a very particular and recognisable look. the image starts becoming a trade mark for the D7 etc etc.

My 2 cents.
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I'm totally with you on this one. I was a Nikon photographer since I was 15 years old. I love the glass. I had to go the Canon route because of the Birger Mount at that time. The newer lenses like the 14-24mm and the new 24-70mm are crazy good. Redmote Pro and we are all good for a reasonable price.

Happy shooting.
Tim
 
Andrae Palmer said:
Many of us have had similar thoughts like Mark's for ages now.... especially with a full frame EPIC coming out... Mark Toia is well respected and adds credibility to using still lenses on professional sets. In that regard I'm glad he's posted his opinions on here.
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No doubt about it . . . love it when someone at the level of Mark supports what I have invested so much in (Canon EF glass on Epic). To me there is a gentle irony to those who maintain that the only to pull focus is to have a dedicated guy with a tape measure, grease pencil and a hand crank . . . while calling themselves cine equipment revolutionaries. That focusing technique is over 100 years old.

Embrace change . . . no, Create Change since it is inevitable. Pulling focus as we know it is dead. Just a matter of time before that becomes obvious to the vested establishment.
 
Mark,

Wait 'till you can try Nikon's AF system, which besides all other features that make the lenses different and which could start a holy war from which nothing but steaming carcasses will be left, is the one thing where most people agree Nikon beats Canon hands down. Of course, you'd need the AF system that goes inside the Nikon camera bodies, not just the lenses, and which hopefully RED will replicate or, dare I say, improve upon.
 
Rudi Herbert said:
Mark,

Wait 'till you can try Nikon's AF system, which besides all other features that make the lenses different and which could start a holy war from which nothing but steaming carcasses will be left, is the one thing where most people agree Nikon beats Canon hands down. Of course, you'd need the AF system that goes inside the Nikon camera bodies, not just the lenses, and which hopefully RED will replicate or, dare I say, improve upon.
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finally a Nikon man amongst all this Canon heresy lol
 
Any idea if the AF speed on the Scarlet is as fast? Your test looked fantastic!

Cal
 
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